why hate socialism?

[Thomen]

Thanks ,guys.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by McBeck

Yup its those high figures that ensures free education among other things....

VAT...is 25% in Denmark

Aye, high taxes is the thing if you ask me!

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by McBeck

Yup its those high figures that ensures free education among other things....

Free education as in the whole shebang (incl. College/University) or just the 'lower tier' like from Kindergarten to Highschool?

Germany had the all free deal too, but I do remember that they started to charge for 'public' University education.. some relatively small amount of a couple of hundred Euros per semester or something like that.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Free education as in the whole shebang (incl. College/University) or just the 'lower tier' like from Kindergarten to Highschool?

Germany had the all free deal too, but I do remember that they started to charge for 'public' University education.. some relatively small amount of a couple of hundred Euros per semester or something like that.

Some German federal states have introduced charges per semester indeed, ranging from 250-500 Euros per semester. As long as the money is left to the universities indeed and not beign used to fill holes in the state's budget elsewhere, and as long as the charges don't get any higher, I can accept that to improve the equipement of the universities. However, the education mistry keeps locked a study that showed that these charges alredy has been high enough to prevent a significant ammount of young people from socially weak families, and many females, to go to university. the effect is unwelcomed for the offocial position of the government which claimed this would not happen, so they try to delay the publication to find ways to relativise the findings.

The percentage of young people in Germany going for a university's degree is relatoivels small compared to other Wetsern nations, so in Germany this study's findings really are an issue. On the other hand universities in germany, the status of their buildings and rooms and the equipment especially of libraries in not rare cases leave a lot to be desired.

In general I propagate general access to education for all people, if they want, for an educated population is precondition for a free and responsible society. For the same reason I want education to not focus exclusively on technical specialisation, but on educating the character and positvely forming the general attitude of people, what in german traiton would be the old humanistic education ideals of Humboldt. But eduaction more and more is falling apart over here, in school it becomes a politically overregulated, uninspired ideological trenchwarfare of flawed paedagocical concepts versus simple healthy reason, and university focusses very strongly on just tecnical specialisation, not on the rest I mentioned. Both is a loss of education culture.

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Free education as in the whole shebang (incl. College/University) or just the 'lower tier' like from Kindergarten to Highschool?

Germany had the all free deal too, but I do remember that they started to charge for 'public' University education.. some relatively small amount of a couple of hundred Euros per semester or something like that.

The whole shebang
Its ensure that everybody gets a chance for higher education.

[GoldenRivet]

HERE IT IS FOLKS

Well here is my take on health care.

Doctors charge a lot of money so they can maintain their lifestyle.

BUT...

i know several doctors - one of which was telling me a story about how two weeks ago he had been charged with the task of removing a nine inch long serrated kitchen knife from the blood spewing vagina of a crack whore who was so strung out on various drugs all she could say was "I got ya!" "i got ya!" "i got ya!" over and over again in some sort of wide eyed demented chant.

now...

had i been charged with the task of removing a nine inch serrated kitchen knife from the blood spewing vagina of a crack whore.... you can bet the bill for that one would total up to one very large number.

On socialism.

I live about 3 blocks from an apartment complex which could easily be mistaken for a federal prison if it were not for the lack of guard towers and razor wire.

The people who live in this "compound" dont have a pot to piss in figuratively speaking... yet they all drive flashy purple and green metallic flake painted cars with gold "22" inch wheels.

i know they are "22" inch wheels because the fender above each wheel says "twenty two's bitch!" in fancy old English font

i stand next to these same folks in line at the grocery store... they have two carts of groceries... one contains the legitimate groceries which they pay for with their welfare check and with various food stamps but the second cart contains about $100 worth of beer, wine and liquor.

im sorry.... but if you can afford $100 worth of liquor every week you can surely pay for your own groceries.

Every morning when we go to work, we pass this compound and all these people do is sit on the porch and smoke and drink, most of the day.

and the busiest time of the month arond their mail boxes is the 1st and the 15th (the time welfare checks come in) so they drag their nine kids down to the mailbox and repeat this grocery / liquor parade.

Its disgusting to me.

it literally makes me angry.

why should i work, and then against my will donate "charity" money to these losers? why should i pay taxes on anything if it is only going to support this lounge about life style in the cities? why should i run my own business and let Obama tax me into bakruptcy just so he can have his ideal vision of America where everyone earns the same money no matter how hard they work (or dont work)?

Seems to me the best job in america is to sit on your ass all day long and let the feds send free cash!

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Aye, high taxes is the thing if you ask me!

Well let us look at it in another way.

You pay extreme taxes. So you would be encouraged to actually take advantage of free education so you get the jobs that shell out the euros or whatever so after taxes you can get tons of great stuff while not having to worry about the health issue or your child's education.

If not you work at a local grocer. Get only free healthcare or whatever and get little spending money. a boring life and thus encouragement to get an education.

[McBeck]

The thing is that hospitals doesnt have to worry about the profitmargin. They got a budget - sure, but you are never gonna worry if your healthensurance will cover whatever disease you get. It also covers Europa

In the univercities there are people working only on basis research. Why is this good? Because they look into stuff private companies would never do, because the risk of it not turning out profitable is high, but its research like that, that will bring about the cure for diabetes.

[McBeck]

My question to you is....

Is my country socialistic?
It has alot of goverment owned areas....

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by McBeck

My question to you is....

Is my country socialistic?
It has alot of goverment owned areas....

My question on this would be...

Are you satisfied with your country at the current time mate?

[DeepIron]

The thing is that hospitals don't have to worry about the profit margin.

I wish that were true in the US... I have a hard time not believing that the appendectomy I had three years ago, which cost $10,000+ and in which I spent A TOTAL of only 23 1/2 hours in the hospital didn't contribute to the the "bottom line" more that a little...

[Frederf]

I hear you GoldRivet, it's a crying shame that people will subject themselves and others to poor priorities. There will always be maladjusted people, but their numbers might be lessened with an education system, culture, and heck society that doesn't drive them to such behavior.

I mean a house cost $400,000 at least and gold wheels and booze maybe $900 a year. If people don't get on the high track of college, education, decency then the consolation prize of a sub-culture is pretty much the only thing they have to fall back on in terms of feeling at least partially worthwhile and fitting in.

A lot of social services are abused but it doesn't mean the concept behind it is bad. I wouldn't mind more restriction on some social services. A safety net should be functional but not comfortable.

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

If you start saying that socialism & free market are not mutually exclusive you're gonna confuse a lot of people here

God I hope so. People should get confused about their ideas so they have to look hard at their notions and possibly get better ones.

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by Biggles

My question on this would be...

Are you satisfied with your country at the current time mate?

All countries has theirs good and bad things. Im satisfied with my country...if I wasnt, I would still be here. I like other countries too, but only to visit

[JHuschke]

Socialism, Communism is okay.

The reason why, is yes it would raise taxes..like in Great Britain they have very high taxes but free medical expenses.

Plus, they would probably tell you what kind of doctor to go to and there would be millions of people at doctors every day if there were free meds and healthcare.

You got 4 types.

1. Elderly, who need certain types of medicine
2. People who are injured and/or suffering
3. People who are crazy and "think" they need medicine but they really don't.
4. Those with diseases

Think of what kind of crisis it would be in America, it would be a good thing but a bad thing at the same time.

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by Respenus

Ahem, Hylander. I don't think you just called Europe, particulary GB, you're greatest ally, a totalitarian state, did you?

What?


"If" you read what I said, is that every welfare state eventually becomes a totalitarian state. Look to ancient Rome, and Greece as examples. That does not mean that it has already happenned or that it will tomorrow. But eventually, it must run it's course. Most likely, just as the transformation of the Constitutional Republic of America will transform closer to socialism over the next four years. The government in America is supposed to be small, and very limited in it's powers and authority. But over especially the last 90+ years it has grown into a sprauling octopus that invades personal liberty on a daily basis to the point that our liberty is slowly but surely be squashed under the pretence of safety, and security. And the people are foolish enough to let it continue. Thinking they will gain from it, when history has proven the opposite.

I harken to what Patrick Henry said,

"If ye love wealth better than liberty; the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom; go home from us in peace. We ask not your arms nor your councils. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that, Ye, were our countrymen."

And Bejamin Franklin when he said,

"They that would trade liberty for a little temporary safety; deserve neither liberty nor safety."