Poll: Obama vs Clinton on remaining pledged delegates - Page 6

Von Tonner · 03-25-08, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Both Clintons seem to have a problem defining simple words in the English language. I find it amusing that one denies having had a sexual relationship with a Whitehouse intern, and struggles to define the word 'alone', while the other one is busy dodging imaginary sniper fire.

Ain't that the truth.

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They should write a joint memoirs book called 'Incoming'.

That is hilarious if I read that you are referring to Monica and her BJ

sonar732 · 03-26-08, 09:26 PM

A good interview on Politico.com!

Democrats are increasingly nervous about their party’s protracted nomination fight, and some prominent figures are publicly warning that the party needs to act fast to avoid disaster.

Chief among these voices is Phil Bredesen, the two-term governor of Tennessee who is uncommitted to either Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) or Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

In an interview this week with Politico, Bredesen said flatly that if the contentious slog continues until the Democrats’ late-August convention in Denver, the party would have a vastly diminished chance of recapturing the White House.

geetrue · 03-26-08, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Can the Democratic Party continue to sit on the side lines while this woman loses credibility among the American people?
2) Can they argue that the perception of honesty and trustworthyness do not count for squat in electing a candidate, be it a nominee or president?

I don't think so ... that was a very bad mistake. I wouldn't accept that behaviour from a Mayor, Govenor, Congressman or a Senator, much less a future president.

Her mind must be double to know that that story she told never happened.

I've told a few sea stories in my day, but it was always with a lite heart thinking what the heck I heard it from someone else maybe it's true.

That lady is a cucko cucko bird ... unless a miracle happens she is destined for defeat.

bradclark1 · 03-27-08, 01:27 PM

Clinton will go down fighting to the last second available. It's about her and not the party and she probably has a bunch of people combing Obama's life and trash trying to find something juicy.

Sea Demon · 03-27-08, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sonar732

In an interview this week with Politico, Bredesen said flatly that if the contentious slog continues until the Democrats’ late-August convention in Denver, the party would have a vastly diminished chance of recapturing the White House.

And now, we have Joe Klein saying they should give the nomination to Al Gore.

Think they're worried?

sonar732 · 03-27-08, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

Clinton will go down fighting to the last second available. It's about her and not the party and she probably has a bunch of people combing Obama's life and trash trying to find something juicy.

She's already proved that motive.

Granted, she'll always come back to her famous line given during the Lewinski trial...

"It's a Right Wing conspiracy"

The WosMan · 03-27-08, 08:22 PM

Recent polling that I have been seeing on the news and hearing on radio shows is that if Clinton gets the nomination, roughly 20-30% of Obama voters will either stay at home in the general election or vote for McCain. They also said that if Obama gets the nomination there is a good percentage of Clinton supporters that would stay at home or vote for McCain. I also love the fact that Hillary's wealthy donors are now tearing into Nancy Pelosi. Funny how they want 800 superdelegates to decide against the popular vote of the members of their party. What was that the Dems were going on about in 2000 with Bush vs Gore?

This is what happens when you have a political party that makes race and/or gender the core components of why a person should get a job. This is actually what is wrong with most of our society. The Democrat party is nothing but a bunch of small little grievance groups skilled in group politics and social segregation but now the multi-cultural chickens have come home to roost.

Again, I think the Republicans could run Nixon's head on a robot body and still win.

geetrue · 03-27-08, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sonar732

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

Clinton will go down fighting to the last second available. It's about her and not the party and she probably has a bunch of people combing Obama's life and trash trying to find something juicy.

She's already proved that motive.

Granted, she'll always come back to her famous line given during the Lewinski trial...

"It's a Right Wing conspiracy"

Do you know where Hillary was on the days reported to have been the days that her husband Bill, remember him,
the president of the United States was having an affair with the lady called Monica?

The latest release of her white house papers show that she was at home inside the White House.

This is one crazy election ... I hope it's a good baseball and football season leading up to the election in November ...

I'm tired of politics already

Von Tonner · 03-28-08, 08:06 AM

In admitting she lied ( I will use that word even if the media won't) about her Bosnia trip she puts her foot in it further by claiming she was the first First Lady to fly into a war zone since WWII, completely ignoring Pat Nixon's far more risky visit to Saigon in a chopper for heavens sake!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...src=newsletter

TDK1044 · 03-28-08, 08:31 AM

For either Obama, Clinton or McCain to be the next President of the USA is a very sad indictment of the times.

Von Tonner · 03-28-08, 08:48 AM

I was under the impression that 'pledged delegates' were exactly that - pledged. At least until the second round of votes if no winner was arrived at at the first call.

Not so according to Hillary.

Interview in Time:

Last question Senator. Some people look at the current state of the delegate counts and say the only way you can win the nomination is at the convention, with a convention where delegates move around perhaps, and you'll make your case side by side. Are you comfortable if that's the way you win the nomination, going all the way to Denver and winning it there? Is that a comfortable outcome for you?
You know it's the same thing for Senator Obama. Neither of us will reach the number of delegates needed. So I think that that is, you know, the reality for both of our campaigns. And all delegates have to assess who they think will be the strongest nominee against McCain and who they believe would do the best job in bringing along the down-ballot races and who they think would be the best President. And, from my perspective, those are all very legitimate questions, and as you know so well, Mark, every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose. We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment. And, you know, I'm just going to do the best I can in the next 10 contests to make my case to the voters in those elections and then we'll see where we are.

Von Tonner · 03-28-08, 09:44 AM

And he gets another. Sen Bob Casey (Pennsylvania) endorsed Obama. Let's see how the Hillary camp discounts/triviliases this endorsement.

NEON DEON · 03-29-08, 03:31 PM

2025

Delegate math.:p

Von Tonner · 03-31-08, 07:44 AM

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama picked up the endorsement of Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar Sunday night, giving him another superdelegate supporter. In a statement provided to The Associated Press, Klobuchar said Obama “has inspired an enthusiasm and idealism that we have not seen in this country in a long time.”

TDK1044 · 03-31-08, 08:22 AM

It's almost certain that Obama is the nominee. Clinton's ego won't let her do the right thing for the party though.

View Poll Results: Poll: Obama vs Clinton on remaining pledged delegates
Clinton will close to within 50 on Obama lead	3	8.33%
Clinton will overtake Obama lead	6	16.67%
Obama will increase lead	27	75.00%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

03-27-08, 01:27 PM	#79
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Clinton will go down fighting to the last second available. It's about her and not the party and she probably has a bunch of people combing Obama's life and trash trying to find something juicy. __________________

03-29-08, 03:31 PM	#88
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	2025 Delegate math.:p __________________ Diesel Boats Forever!

03-31-08, 07:44 AM	#89
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	And another WASHINGTON — Barack Obama picked up the endorsement of Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar Sunday night, giving him another superdelegate supporter. In a statement provided to The Associated Press, Klobuchar said Obama “has inspired an enthusiasm and idealism that we have not seen in this country in a long time.”

03-26-08, 09:26 PM	#77
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	A good interview on Politico.com! Democrats are increasingly nervous about their party’s protracted nomination fight, and some prominent figures are publicly warning that the party needs to act fast to avoid disaster. Chief among these voices is Phil Bredesen, the two-term governor of Tennessee who is uncommitted to either Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) or Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). In an interview this week with Politico, Bredesen said flatly that if the contentious slog continues until the Democrats’ late-August convention in Denver, the party would have a vastly diminished chance of recapturing the White House.

03-27-08, 08:22 PM	#82
The WosMan Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: OH Posts: 332 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	Recent polling that I have been seeing on the news and hearing on radio shows is that if Clinton gets the nomination, roughly 20-30% of Obama voters will either stay at home in the general election or vote for McCain. They also said that if Obama gets the nomination there is a good percentage of Clinton supporters that would stay at home or vote for McCain. I also love the fact that Hillary's wealthy donors are now tearing into Nancy Pelosi. Funny how they want 800 superdelegates to decide against the popular vote of the members of their party. What was that the Dems were going on about in 2000 with Bush vs Gore? This is what happens when you have a political party that makes race and/or gender the core components of why a person should get a job. This is actually what is wrong with most of our society. The Democrat party is nothing but a bunch of small little grievance groups skilled in group politics and social segregation but now the multi-cultural chickens have come home to roost. Again, I think the Republicans could run Nixon's head on a robot body and still win.

03-28-08, 08:06 AM	#84
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	In admitting she lied ( I will use that word even if the media won't) about her Bosnia trip she puts her foot in it further by claiming she was the first First Lady to fly into a war zone since WWII, completely ignoring Pat Nixon's far more risky visit to Saigon in a chopper for heavens sake! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...src=newsletter

03-28-08, 08:31 AM	#85
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	For either Obama, Clinton or McCain to be the next President of the USA is a very sad indictment of the times.

03-28-08, 08:48 AM	#86
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	I was under the impression that 'pledged delegates' were exactly that - pledged. At least until the second round of votes if no winner was arrived at at the first call. Not so according to Hillary. Interview in Time: Last question Senator. Some people look at the current state of the delegate counts and say the only way you can win the nomination is at the convention, with a convention where delegates move around perhaps, and you'll make your case side by side. Are you comfortable if that's the way you win the nomination, going all the way to Denver and winning it there? Is that a comfortable outcome for you? You know it's the same thing for Senator Obama. Neither of us will reach the number of delegates needed. So I think that that is, you know, the reality for both of our campaigns. And all delegates have to assess who they think will be the strongest nominee against McCain and who they believe would do the best job in bringing along the down-ballot races and who they think would be the best President. And, from my perspective, those are all very legitimate questions, and as you know so well, Mark, every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose. We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment. And, you know, I'm just going to do the best I can in the next 10 contests to make my case to the voters in those elections and then we'll see where we are.

03-28-08, 09:44 AM	#87
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	And he gets another. Sen Bob Casey (Pennsylvania) endorsed Obama. Let's see how the Hillary camp discounts/triviliases this endorsement.

03-31-08, 08:22 AM	#90
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	It's almost certain that Obama is the nominee. Clinton's ego won't let her do the right thing for the party though.