A 37mm on a TypeIID?????? - Page 6

KLCARROLL · 01-06-08, 12:59 AM

Sh3rules is right!

You can do “stealthy” things in a TypeIID that would be very difficult in a larger boat.

Several times, I have avoided detection in as little as 30 meters of water by “bottoming the boat" right next to a recent wreck: …..A thing that would be tough to do in a TypeIX!

The TypeII boats also require different tactics than those normally used with the larger boats.

In a TypeIID, you don’t cruise around looking for targets: …You locate a “chokepoint” and quietly lurk there, ….waiting for the prey to come to you! (Very similar to the way modern Diesel Boats are typically deployed.)

Yes, …five torpedoes is a limitation: …Which is why even a modest deck gun would be welcome. It would give you the option of not wasting one of your precious torpedoes on “small fry”.

klcarroll

Jimbuna · 01-06-08, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KLCARROLL

Sh3rules is right!

You can do “stealthy” things in a TypeIID that would be very difficult in a larger boat.

Several times, I have avoided detection in as little as 30 meters of water by “bottoming the boat" right next to a recent wreck: …..A thing that would be tough to do in a TypeIX!

Be very careful Kaleun.....this is not 'normally' possible in-game. The escorts will still detect you....similarly so when your submerged directly beneath a merchant you have disabled/brought to a stop.

gimpy117 · 01-06-08, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

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Originally Posted by KLCARROLL

Sh3rules is right!

You can do “stealthy” things in a TypeIID that would be very difficult in a larger boat.

Several times, I have avoided detection in as little as 30 meters of water by “bottoming the boat" right next to a recent wreck: …..A thing that would be tough to do in a TypeIX!

Be very careful Kaleun.....this is not 'normally' possible in-game. The escorts will still detect you....similarly so when your submerged directly beneath a merchant you have disabled/brought to a stop.

actually, i sat under a disabled merchat for hours waiting out an attack, they counlt hit me so they gave up.

bigboywooly · 01-06-08, 11:26 AM

Lucky you
I sat under a crippled tanker once
The escorts ended up DCing the tanker into oblivion then had a go at me
I got away but they got the tanker renown
:rotfl:

Jimbuna · 01-06-08, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Lucky you
I sat under a crippled tanker once
The escorts ended up DCing the tanker into oblivion then had a go at me
I got away but they got the tanker renown
:rotfl:

Preciely

gimpy117 · 01-06-08, 04:18 PM

maybe my destroyers didn't wanna blow up their countrymen...

Sailor Steve · 01-06-08, 04:20 PM

On the other hand, how easy would it be to 'park' right next to a wreck or stay directly under a merchant without the external view?

Jimbuna · 01-06-08, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

On the other hand, how easy would it be to 'park' right next to a wreck or stay directly under a merchant without the external view?

That is so true....the games AI doesn't make any allowances for terrain in any event. Try passing one side of a small island and you'll still pick up any escorts on the other side with your sensors (if they're there of course)

sh3rules · 01-08-08, 02:15 AM

I'm always amused by the destroyers. When there's an island in their way, instead of pulling back they just stay there, deciding what to do... before attempting to go *through* the island

Jimbuna · 01-08-08, 07:27 AM

Tis the same with harbours also.....you can sometimes see them rendering half way through a jetty or pier wall.
All about losing their waypoints.

Deathfrombelow23 · 01-19-08, 07:22 AM

Is it possible to either: 1) add the 37mm to the IID or 2) to increase the power of the 20mm's rounds for use against surface ships. Has anyone figured out how to do or make either one work? It seems difficult, but not impossible to mod the files so the IID can accept a heavy flak mount. I can do it, but I would need someone to explain to me where to go and what to change in that file. Thanks!

KLCARROLL · 01-20-08, 02:56 PM

Changing the 20mm values in the SHELLS.ZON file is easily done with the SH3 MINI TWEAKER. You can make a 20mm hit like an "88" if you want! (Assuming Historical Accuracy is not high on your list of priorities.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: )

klcarroll

Koondawg · 01-20-08, 09:02 PM

[QUOTEChanging the 20mm values in the SHELLS.ZON file is easily done with the SH3 MINI TWEAKER. You can make a 20mm hit like an "88" if you want! (Assuming Historical Accuracy is not high on your list of priorities][/QUOTE]
Yes but that works for both sides doesn't it...you cant just mod one side...now your enemy has the firepower as well

KLCARROLL · 01-20-08, 10:21 PM

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Yes but that works for both sides doesn't it...you cant just mod one side...now your enemy has the firepower as well

Very true! ......And this aspect has been discussed previously in this thread.

The "symmetry" of the change is probably the one factor that makes most people avoid "excessive" tweaks to shell values.

klcarroll

KLCARROLL · 01-22-08, 01:59 PM

@privateer;

I have been giving some thought to the "37mm Swap" project, ....and a question has come to mind:

Would it be easier to redefine the model for a single 37mm as an "A0 gun" as opposed to it's original "S0" designation??

The only drawback I can think of is that the game would only assign one crewman to the gun: ......but for many people, that might not be a big deal. (Myself included, because at least 50% of the reason I want the mod is for screenshots.)

Klcarroll

01-06-08, 11:26 AM	#79
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Lucky you I sat under a crippled tanker once The escorts ended up DCing the tanker into oblivion then had a go at me I got away but they got the tanker renown :rotfl: __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-06-08, 04:20 PM	#82
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	On the other hand, how easy would it be to 'park' right next to a wreck or stay directly under a merchant without the external view? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-08-08, 07:27 AM	#85
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,946 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Tis the same with harbours also.....you can sometimes see them rendering half way through a jetty or pier wall. All about losing their waypoints. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-06-08, 12:59 AM	#76
KLCARROLL Mate Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 57 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Sh3rules is right! You can do “stealthy” things in a TypeIID that would be very difficult in a larger boat. Several times, I have avoided detection in as little as 30 meters of water by “bottoming the boat" right next to a recent wreck: …..A thing that would be tough to do in a TypeIX! The TypeII boats also require different tactics than those normally used with the larger boats. In a TypeIID, you don’t cruise around looking for targets: …You locate a “chokepoint” and quietly lurk there, ….waiting for the prey to come to you! (Very similar to the way modern Diesel Boats are typically deployed.) Yes, …five torpedoes is a limitation: …Which is why even a modest deck gun would be welcome. It would give you the option of not wasting one of your precious torpedoes on “small fry”. klcarroll

01-06-08, 04:18 PM	#81
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	maybe my destroyers didn't wanna blow up their countrymen...

01-08-08, 02:15 AM	#84
sh3rules Sonar Guy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sailing the Seas of Lies Posts: 393 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	I'm always amused by the destroyers. When there's an island in their way, instead of pulling back they just stay there, deciding what to do... before attempting to go through the island

01-19-08, 07:22 AM	#86
Deathfrombelow23 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 134 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Is it possible to either: 1) add the 37mm to the IID or 2) to increase the power of the 20mm's rounds for use against surface ships. Has anyone figured out how to do or make either one work? It seems difficult, but not impossible to mod the files so the IID can accept a heavy flak mount. I can do it, but I would need someone to explain to me where to go and what to change in that file. Thanks!

01-20-08, 02:56 PM	#87
KLCARROLL Mate Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 57 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Changing the 20mm values in the SHELLS.ZON file is easily done with the SH3 MINI TWEAKER. You can make a 20mm hit like an "88" if you want! (Assuming Historical Accuracy is not high on your list of priorities.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ) klcarroll

01-20-08, 09:02 PM	#88
Koondawg Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pasadena, Ca Posts: 852 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	[QUOTEChanging the 20mm values in the SHELLS.ZON file is easily done with the SH3 MINI TWEAKER. You can make a 20mm hit like an "88" if you want! (Assuming Historical Accuracy is not high on your list of priorities][/QUOTE] Yes but that works for both sides doesn't it...you cant just mod one side...now your enemy has the firepower as well

01-22-08, 01:59 PM	#90
KLCARROLL Mate Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 57 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	@privateer; I have been giving some thought to the "37mm Swap" project, ....and a question has come to mind: Would it be easier to redefine the model for a single 37mm as an "A0 gun" as opposed to it's original "S0" designation?? The only drawback I can think of is that the game would only assign one crewman to the gun: ......but for many people, that might not be a big deal. (Myself included, because at least 50% of the reason I want the mod is for screenshots.) Klcarroll