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Is the practice of lightening the tone of paint used on models, usually by the addition of white; the smaller the scale of the model, the lighter the tone needs to be, so the logic goes, for it to capture the look of the full-sized "prototype" (the idea being that a large object, such as an aeroplane, can look surprisingly light in tone even if it's dark in colour, especially on a sunny day, because of the amount of light gathered then reflected to the observer).
The way to replicate this and give the small model more of the "presence" of the real thing is to raise the overall tone of the finish. There are some colours, like red, where this can be a problem: you'd just end up with a pink Fokker Triplane, for example; in this case there's not much can be done. ![]() These white-metal cars were about 1:76 scale (designed for railroad layouts to HO:OO) and so very small; I've tried to show them actual size here. You can see how I rendered mudguards, tyres etc in what is actually a dark grey, but in this scale your eye tells you that the colour is black. Notice especially the roof panel on the van: on the real vehicle this would have been a black or very dark fabric, but on such a tiny model I had to paint it mid-grey in order for it to look right. The little Austin "Ruby" at left is painted dark grey then given a coat of not-too glossy varnish (another "scale" issue: a highly glossy model looks all wrong, even if the real object it imitates is highly polished). The Austin will look like a black car on the layout, however. The green car would've been quite a dark green, but if you sprayed such a tiny model with the same paint as used on the real car, it would appear much too dark because it would gather and reflect far less light. There can be problems, such as when you come to black decals, because they are usually too black, despite their small scale. You can get a mismatch, which I've tried to illustrate with my 1:72 scale Spit below: the prop blades and tyres are in "scale" black (i.e. dark grey) but they clash somewhat with the kit's invasion-stripe decal at rear. ![]() The "dark" green & grey camo is lightened too, but this just becomes a matter of estimation by "eye" (a sunnier day will make a plane look lighter than on a dull day anyway). And of course you may just think this is a load of bunk... ![]()
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I am familiar with the process, I just didn't register at first. Sorry.
No, I don't usually do that, mainly because I'm never sure exactly how much is enough. I saw one article in which the modeler actually used different colors of CDL to represent the top side of the wing, which was constantly exposed to the sun, to the bottom, which is always in the shadow. I couldn't really see the difference. When I was building a lot of WW2 models I added a lighter or darker color to each model, to represent long-time exposure or factory-fresh paint, and because different paint batches aren't always the same. In a discussion about PC-10, the most common British WW1 paint, someone once said that there were at least five different factory mixes and in the field they mixed their own, meaning you could use almost any color green and no one could say you were wrong.
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I haven't done a lot of WWI modelling, but I do recall reading somewhere that the Germans used a lighter "lozenge" patterned fabric on the top surfaces of their biplanes' lower wings so it did not contrast with the upper wing when viewed from above. German efficiency, I guess. I've always found these lozenge-camouflages intriguing, but never discovered quite how they were supposed to work: do you know?
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Actually yes. After a fashion. Kinda sorta. There are several decal makers who sell German four and five color lozenge. There is one company which makes the large hex lozenge for bombers. They all come with both upper and lower colors and include rib tape, which was usually blue but sometimes red. All include very detailed instructions.
This site gives a fair overall description of hex camo types. http://wwiaviation.blogspot.com/p/ca...corner_04.html Most lozenge was pre-printed fabric (as were the two-tone streak patterns later in the war), but I've seen one photograph of a flying boat that had hand-painted hexes. Some companies applied it span-wise, or running the link of the wings, some applied it chord-wise, running from front to rear, and some put it on diagonally. http://www.wwiaviation.com/lozenge.html The colors are the subject of much controversy, as are all WW1 colors. http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/Colors/German/loz2/
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![]() ![]() Pink is just 'jake' on a Fokker- especially when yer engaged in a Spandau Ballet with one! ![]() especially with Vierfarbiger losenge camo on the underside ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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The three links you provided are a valuable resource. The second one, which touches on my question, compares this camouflage with "Pointillism", which naturally grabbed my attention.
But... "the beauty of this optical illusion is that the dominant color of the background visually enhances a similar color in the lozenge and fools the mind into seeing the two as the same". Does he mean the dominant colour of the environment in which the aircraft stands? I presume so, and if so then this is an astonishing idea which I would never have guessed at! I've always struggled to understand how this camouflage was supposed to work.
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How it's actually supposed to work? I have no idea. I do like the way it looks, though.
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Yes of course there are many different approaches to camouflage (and I'm only considering the painted kind here). Apart from the basic obscuring of something using local colour, there is the disruption of form with highly contrasting tones and colours; confusion of perception (as in your bow-wave example and those optical illusions emblazoned on the fuselages of WW1 aircraft, also "fake" cockpit canopies painted on the underside of F-16s to give the momentary impression that the top of the aircraft is being presented).
But this notion of throwing out a myriad of coloured patches, Pointillist-style (the lozenges) with the expectation that the brain will be baffled and bamboozled in this way is quite odd and interesting. And when you see someone in a movie dressed in black with the intention of avoiding detection at night, you can be sure he will stand out much more readily than someone dressed in colorful clothing of a middling tone: there is no colour at night... tone is what matters: a black cat will be far easier to spot at night than a ginger one; it is rarely totally pitch-dark.
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Main paint done.
![]() The tops of the wings and fuselage are questionable. Most early camo jobs were brown and green, sprayed or brushed in the field. On the other hand the streaked sides were a Fokker factory finish, but I've only seen them on Dr.Is and D.VIIs. If the sides are streaked green there is a chance that the wing tops are as well (this was true later on the Dr.I). If the nose was solid green there is a chance that the wings were as well. There is also a chance that the sides aren't streaked green at all, but CDL well-stained with oil. The only photo I've seen is that group shot. The color guide that comes with the decals I bought have the whole fuselage spine being camouflaged. A set of drawings I downloaded show the white top. This gentleman built an absolutely stunning 1/48th scale model, and I presume the kit came with a painting guide. The problem there is that if the group photo is indeed the only one then there is absolutely no evidence one way or the other as to how the plane was really painted. Everybody is guessing. I decided to copy Mr. Voloshin's example. His model is very similar to the paintings I downloaded, with the exception of wider black stripes on the spine (not applied yet).
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Spandau gun, cabanes and top wing mounted.
![]() Only the forward struts are installed because they need some special detailing before the aft struts go in.
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Your Fokker streaked green came out really good I think, it even does Eichhornchen's lightening to scale thing which I'd never heard before.
Never knew that was the way lozenge was supposed to work either, thanks for the link.
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