UK Politics Thread - Page 579

Dirk Gently · 11-29-18, 11:45 AM

After watching what's happened in the wake of Brexit, it's pretty evident that EU isn't the cozy, nice benevolent union we've been lead to believe. So the right thing to do for everyone is to leave the EU and let it stand as a testament of failed human social experiments.

One could obviously add numerous of anti democratic quotes from EU-leaders but I suppose you already know. For example Juncker's anti democratic opinion is pretty solidly documented on the internet in terms of official statements and in You Tube videos.

Catfish · 11-30-18, 03:55 AM

Oh please. Norway is not even a full member of the EU.

https://www.politico.eu/article/norw...eu-membership/

" ... On the type of deal that Britain can expect from Brussels, Solberg said the government would not be able to pick and choose which parts of EU membership would suit it best, adding that the process of Brexit is “frustrating.”

Solberg warned just days before the Brexit referendum in 2016 that the U.K. would not be happy in a model such as Norway’s.

“We do agree with the EU that you cannot be cherry-picking,” Solberg said.

“Norway is outside [the EU], but we are inside the single market … We do accept that decisions on the four freedoms are done in Brussels.”

“You can’t just opt out of one of the freedoms,” she added.

Skybird · 11-30-18, 07:14 AM

The EU should only be about economic cooperation. But it wanst to melt a coordinated one culture and one identity, thats why the single market thing gets linked to the four freedoms as if the one has much to do with the other. But it hasn't, thats an opportunistically maintained myth to use it as an alibi to claim more central power for the big continental planned economy.

In princple one could say the EU is about creating a Europe-wide Belgian kingdom.

Dirk Gently · 11-30-18, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Oh please. Norway is not even a full member of the EU.

Which is relevant.. why?

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Originally Posted by Catfish

https://www.politico.eu/article/norw...eu-membership/

" ... On the type of deal that Britain can expect from Brussels, Solberg said the government would not be able to pick and choose which parts of EU membership would suit it best, adding that the process of Brexit is “frustrating.”

Solberg warned just days before the Brexit referendum in 2016 that the U.K. would not be happy in a model such as Norway’s.

“We do agree with the EU that you cannot be cherry-picking,” Solberg said.

“Norway is outside [the EU], but we are inside the single market … We do accept that decisions on the four freedoms are done in Brussels.”

“You can’t just opt out of one of the freedoms,” she added.

The whole point is that EU wants to make everything difficult for non members to force membership.

Skybird · 11-30-18, 07:12 PM

UK pulling out of Gallileo GPS.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46407249

The mentiond costs and cash flowback so far and that it was already calculated into the EU divorce bill, caught my attention.

Jimbuna · 12-01-18, 07:04 AM

Here is the stalking horse should PM May fall.

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However, prominent Brexiteer and cabinet minister Michael Gove has defended Mrs May's plan, writing in the Daily Mail that leaving the EU is under "great threat" if the deal is rejected by MPs.

Catfish · 12-01-18, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

UK pulling out of Gallileo GPS. [...]

only in german, not quite sure what it means even as a german
http://scienceblogs.de/alpha-cephei/...ans-galilexit/

"Der Zugriff auf den PRS-Dienst ist laut EU-Verträgen den Ländern des Europäischen Wirtschaftsraums vorbehalten, zu denen neben den EU-Mitgliedsländern selbst auch Norwegen und Island zählen."
"According to EU treaties, access to the PRS service is reserved for the countries of the European Economic Area , which include Norway and Iceland in addition to the EU member states themselves."

"Die britische Regierung konnte sich jedoch bekanntlich bisher weder für das norwegische noch für das eidgenössische Modell entscheiden, und daraus zog Airbus nun Konsequenzen und kündigte Ende April an, sein Werk von Portsmouth in ein anderes europäisches Land zu verlegen"
"However, as we know, the British government has not been able to choose either the Norwegian or the federal model and Airbus has now taken consequences and announced at the end of April that it would relocate its plant from Portsmouth to another European country"

They say they had to do it (june 2018 already) because of Norway and.. Switzerland.

english Google translation, hundreds of flaws but...
https://translate.google.com/transla...s-galilexit%2F

STEED · 12-01-18, 01:42 PM

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The minister who resigned over Theresa May's Brexit strategy says another referendum may be the only option if MPs reject the deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46413370

I am beginning to think if the HoC rejects her deal we will be staying in the EU. Even our dumb lot of MP's would not risk a clean break on WTO rules. But saying that who really knows.

Catfish · 12-01-18, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk Gently

Which is relevant.. why?

Because Norway cannot leave, when it is not a fully-fledged member. I know you have your own difficulties with the swedish border.

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The whole point is that EU wants to make everything difficult for non members to force membership.

The EU's purpose regarding economy has been to ease trade among its members, because it is harder and more difficult outside of such an agreement. And this has primarily not much to do with the EU, but with international (read: non-EU) law and the World Trade Organization.

Why and how trade is harmed out of the EU can e.g. be read here:
Brexit: What the Hell Happens Now?
Click on "look inside", just the first page.

A more affectionate view on brexit and article 50 is here (mind you: swearing, strong words and so on).
Brexit article 50

More here:
Which EU law are you looking forward to losing?

STEED · 12-01-18, 03:20 PM

Jimbuna · 12-02-18, 07:27 AM

May heaven preserve us

Schroeder · 12-02-18, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

May heaven preserve us

I wasn't aware Theresa had her own heaven.

Jimbuna · 12-02-18, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I wasn't aware Theresa had her own heaven.

It never crossed my mind

Jimbuna · 12-02-18, 09:10 AM

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Brexit: Labour threatens no confidence vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46416591

Now I'm starting to get worried.....should Corbyn by some cruel twist of fate manage to sneak into Downing St.

STEED · 12-02-18, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Now I'm starting to get worried.....should Corbyn by some cruel twist of fate manage to sneak into Downing St.

Don't Panic the Tory MP's will not back it, the fear of Jezzer in power will stop Labour's power grab.

NEWS JUST IN

PM May backs the police on their new tactics as posted here, good she got one thing right.

News just in...Jim is put in charge of the new flying squad.

11-30-18, 03:55 AM	#8672
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,773 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Oh please. Norway is not even a full member of the EU. https://www.politico.eu/article/norw...eu-membership/ " ... On the type of deal that Britain can expect from Brussels, Solberg said the government would not be able to pick and choose which parts of EU membership would suit it best, adding that the process of Brexit is “frustrating.” Solberg warned just days before the Brexit referendum in 2016 that the U.K. would not be happy in a model such as Norway’s. “We do agree with the EU that you cannot be cherry-picking,” Solberg said. “Norway is outside [the EU], but we are inside the single market … We do accept that decisions on the four freedoms are done in Brussels.” “You can’t just opt out of one of the freedoms,” she added. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-30-18, 07:14 AM	#8673
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The EU should only be about economic cooperation. But it wanst to melt a coordinated one culture and one identity, thats why the single market thing gets linked to the four freedoms as if the one has much to do with the other. But it hasn't, thats an opportunistically maintained myth to use it as an alibi to claim more central power for the big continental planned economy. In princple one could say the EU is about creating a Europe-wide Belgian kingdom. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-30-18, 07:12 PM	#8675
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	UK pulling out of Gallileo GPS. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46407249 The mentiond costs and cash flowback so far and that it was already calculated into the EU divorce bill, caught my attention. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-01-18, 03:20 PM	#8680
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	__________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

12-02-18, 07:27 AM	#8681
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	May heaven preserve us __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-29-18, 11:45 AM	#8671
Dirk Gently Bosun Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Norway Posts: 65 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	After watching what's happened in the wake of Brexit, it's pretty evident that EU isn't the cozy, nice benevolent union we've been lead to believe. So the right thing to do for everyone is to leave the EU and let it stand as a testament of failed human social experiments. One could obviously add numerous of anti democratic quotes from EU-leaders but I suppose you already know. For example Juncker's anti democratic opinion is pretty solidly documented on the internet in terms of official statements and in You Tube videos.