Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

you can be a real jerk when you want to be.

I can be a jerk? Trying looking in the mirror pal. The very first thing you do, is dig at me, and play tit for tat. Screw that noise.

That video is a NRA propaganda

NRA didn't make it, and i'm sure EVERYTHING out there that you don't agree with, is propaganda to you. Plausible, or Factual, or not.

tape of why every homeowner should own an assault rifle.

I didn't see an assault rifle, I saw a 9MM handgun hamstrung with 7 rounds in the magazine.

Oddly enough, attacks by multiple drug crazed armed kamikaze intruders rarely seem to happen.

Your Canadian right? WTF would you know about about crime in the US. Not a god damn thing. Piss off.

EDIT:

BTW, congratulations, Your smartassery was the final log on a fire that has accomplished the impossible. I now dislike progressive liberals MORE then i dislike hardliner Republicans.

[Takeda Shingen]

Attacks by multiple drug crazed armed kamikaze intruders rarely seem to happen.

--US citizen

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Attacks by multiple drug crazed armed kamikaze intruders rarely seem to happen.

--US citizen

But they do happen.

Originally Posted by August

http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/w...23a82f630.html

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Attacks by multiple drug crazed armed kamikaze intruders rarely seem to happen.

--US citizen

That's still embelishment on the rat's part. First, one or two hits off a crack pipe does not make someone "drug crazed". Buzzed, sure, drug crazed phsyco? No. You don't have to be drug crazed to commit a violent act. All you need is the courage of conviction and the will to follow through on a made decision. Being buzzed just loosens inhibitions. There's also a big difference between an adrenaline fueled reaction, and a "Kamikaze". Second, there seems to be this big illusion that home invaders always operate alone, and unarmed. I will grant you that more often they'll wait until someone isn't home, but not always, and sometimes, they think no ones home when someone is.

You can dismiss the entire scenario as implausible if you want. That's your choice. But if the worst should ever happen, and not necessarily in the manner portrayed, you''ll have no one to blame but yourself. The safety of oneself and ones family is ultimately, a personal responsibility.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

But they do happen.

Caldara eruptions happen too. Should I live in fear?

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Caldara eruptions happen too. Should I live in fear?

Don't you live in fear already?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Don't you live in fear already?

No, I don't adhere to the politics of the right.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

No, I don't adhere to the politics of the right.

As far as I'm concerned, it's the same politics of both the left and the right. Both of them will say something like , "I can make you safer".

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

As far as I'm concerned, it's the same politics of both the left and the right. Both of them will say something like , "I can make you safer".

No, the politics of the left are envy-driven. The politics of the right, as evidenced by your own video, are fear-driven. The ends may be the same, but the method of motivation differs.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

No, the politics of the left are envy-driven. The politics of the right, as evidenced by your own video, are fear-driven. The ends may be the same, but the method of motivation differs.

I disagree, mainly because of the rhetoric coming from the left during the whole gun control debate. The fear driven agenda, i thought, was patently obvious. (edit: They certainly are not envious of firearms. )

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I disagree, mainly because of the rhetoric coming from the left during the whole gun control debate. The fear driven agenda, i thought, was patently obvious.

You don't have to look any further than 6 months ago to see that fear vs. envy is the de facto state of American politics.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You don't have to look any further than 6 months ago to see that fear vs. envy is the de facto state of American politics.

Well, I have to be honest in that I will not shift my view, simply because I am sick and tired of both Team R, and Team D. They are both beyond redemption in my view. Simply put, I think they are both equally corrupt, and worthless.

As to the video I posted. Well, yeah it plays on fears. One of the worst. I think the difference to me is that I probably have a greater understanding of two things your average viewer may not: A.) How firearms work, and what you can expect out of a given firearm employed in a given situation. B.) A pretty damn good idea on how a person will react and handle themselves under stress, or mortal fear for life.

In other words, the scenario is a worst case scenario, however the reactions within that video, the performance of the handgun, and stopping power of the round used, are quite realistic in my view.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by August

http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/w...23a82f630.html

not exactly the same thing as the video, he was not armed. No need of a high capacity magazine.

of course, if the "homeowner" in that "documentary" was a better shot, he would not need more than 7 rounds to shot 2 intruders.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I am not here to nit pick, or play tit for tat. Which is more then what can be said for bilge rat. Apt name by the way.

Your Canadian right? WTF would you know about about crime in the US. Not a god damn thing. Piss off.

Is that debating the topic? Or going after the other member? Come on, man, don't start that.

Is that debating the topic?

It is debating the topic, only americans know things and only amercans who have signed up for government service in the past really know things.
It is the art of debating topics where emotions take precedence to reason.