FIFA World Cup 2010

[papa_smurf]

Not a bad game last night, Spain were the deserving winners.

[coronas]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

You once said that of England

Now, we say of Germany.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

On the other hand, a penalty for Spain was not given.

What penalty was not given? Supposing we're talking about the same occasion here, I didn't see anything worth a penalty. And both non-fouls were made just outside the penalty area.
Can you come with pictures/explanations, other than just stating "a" penalty was not given?

On the other hand, consider the free kick Robben should have been given. Hugging a player might seem an affectionate thing, it's a little less nice when done while running to keep the enemy from reaching your goal.

And don't forget the Dutch shot on goal, hit by both a Spanish player and their keeper, while no corner was given.

Also, the referee was much too easy in giving yellow cards. Some were deserved (like the one for De Jong, which could have easily been red), most weren't.

Anyway, overall the Spanish were a little stronger, so well done and congratulations

[Skybird]

Two Dutch players should have been given reds for extremely brutal fouls, one was almost a Kungfu attack, and one Spanish player should have been fiven a red as well for one revanche foul of his that bordered a "Tätlichkeit" - unfortuantely, that is the player who later scored the goal.

the dutch palyed more and more brutally, and the high number of cards that scored thus was no surprise - and this although the refree in the first half tried to deal easy with them. Obviously they understood this as an ecouragement.

As German commentor Oliver Khan, ex-goalie, put it: if the referee of the match germkany-Serbia would have whistled the final, the Duch would have ended up with two or three field players remaining on the pitch.

Robben also behaved evertyhing but clever or professional. To score a yellow for endless lamenting with the ref ad nauseum is simply stupid.

there were many comments to be read i the press meanwhile about the Durch players afterwards putting all the blame on the ref, while they did not said anything about their own brutal play. that even afterwards they still went for the ref and then laucnhed their underhanded comments, speaks against this team and has cost them most of the sympathy that during the tournament they had earned so hard. Very, very bad loosers.

to be noted: I limit that criticism to the dutch team, the players and their coach. I have no quarrel whatever with the Dutch fans. In my house, two floors below my appartement, they had a Dutch family for visit, and they watched the final together. I met the man, he said he and the people he phoned at home felt ashamed for the Dutch team's brutal playing, and their bad behavior. that brought back all the bad images of brutal Dutch football that the team before has worked so good to make them forgotten (although some of their players again are the players with the highest number of fouls in the tournament).

This essay from the Kölner Stadtanzeiger marks the point.
http://www.ksta.de/html/artikel/1278853929913.shtml

and this was the ultimate in brutal fouls. Here a red was a must, instead he made it a yellow: unforgivable.


Webb did not give too man cards. His mistake was that he was too mild. Holland deserved several reds.

Very dissapointing match. the less brutal team won - not by killing the other players, but by shooting a goal. The Dutch had my sympathy during the tournament. But for the time being, I'm done with the orange team. Whenever they lose a big match - it never is their fault, it seems, it always is somebody else's. that they do not score and that they act like gladiators in the arena all has nothing to do with it.

[Hartmann]

Spain can´t play very well because the rought gameplay of dutch team, but finaly was able to score a goal and win the coup.

[HunterICX]

Brutale foul?

seeying the slomo it was just a foolish move of the jong to get to the ball with a streched leg no way it was aimed for the player.
if he was given red I would say it was for his foolishness not because he was intentionally planing to knock out the player.

I agree the way Holland played was just bloody awfull and distastefull, they where too rough they lost their nevers and payed attention to other things then their play and they got very lucky. the same thing happend to us in 2006 against Portugal.

but dont just critisize Holland, if you looked well enough you would have seen that at least a quarter of the fouls was a big deal of dramatic theater done by the Spaniards and Ramos really should get a new career as a referee he seems to like to give cards himself.

but in general I don't like the way Football is going, they seem more focused to learn the art of dramatic theater performance on the field then actually focus on the ball, they drop by the slighted touch between to competing players and scream it out like a baby but it seems whistles and yellow cards to the one that commited the foul has miracle healing powers as he stands up and then is back like nothing happend. Also too many time I see teams gang around the referee to make a protest, it showed that it doesn't help so why do teams keep trying? the referee is in charge so if he makes a decision you just keep yourself calm and focus on the game.

I don't blame the americans for calling it pansyball, when I see games from the 70's and 80's I see real men play football. nowadays we have these overpayed spoiled brats that play football, they are able to play good but are to worried about their own status that they are mostly a a disgrace on the field because if they can't have it their way...they are like kids that don't get a extra cookie from the jar.

hilarious to see that the so called Star players of every nation has shown us a very very poor performance of themselves this world cup.

also Fifa really have to get better referee's, too many of them have failed miserably this world cup on important events.

note: I don't say this because Holland lost, in fact if Holland would have won I still would have been disgusted by the teams peformances, heck I barely watched the end because after 20 minutes I already knew this was going to be a dragged out match which wasn't football at all and that a goal was put in fast for the sake of it to end.

I rather lose a well played finale then having this.

HunterICX

[Skybird]

Over the past couple of years I have larned to appreciate women's football, althoiugh only if two really top teams play against each other. The ammount of physical violence and brutality is lacking there, also the ladies play moreteam-oriented, tatctic- oriented, and due to the lack of physical aggressiveness as in male football, individual skills and techniques pays more off. But watching ladies' football only if it is the few top teams playing there, else the show gets very lame and boring very soon. also, the general lack in good teams means that often a superopponent is playing against a total nobody, leading to very onesided matches and large differences in number of goals scored. But regarding the top teams the ladies have, the times i looked down on them are definitely over.

[Lord_magerius]

Dear friends
Well I've had a great time over the last few weeks. I managed to get myself an all expenses paid holiday to the South African World Cup. So I took the opportunity to chill out, relax and just watch some guys play football...
Best of all though, at the end of it they even gave me a medal.

F. Torres.

[Susexx]

[Marcantilan]

Que viva España!

My congratulations to the team and the whole country!

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Two Dutch players should have been given reds for extremely brutal fouls, one was almost a Kungfu attack, and one Spanish player should have been fiven a red as well for one revanche foul of his that bordered a "Tätlichkeit" - unfortuantely, that is the player who later scored the goal.

The spanisch players did better?

[Jimbuna]

Nothing quite beats a good old after match post mortem

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Nothing quite beats a good old after match post mortem

It's over, and this is my last posting in this thread. The best scene yesterday was this:

[Skybird]

P.S. Never say never again...

It seems Holland'S Johan Cruyff - whom we probably would all agree to know one bit or two about football - agrees with my condemnation of the Dutchmen's final match, their brutality, the lack of red cards against them, and the too soft referee, from A to Z:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...10/8812484.stm

This was it - my really last posting in this thread.

[Fincuan]

CBS Sports has a different opinion on the result