Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I am not impressed at all by that tank crew'S stunt.
Either they had no other choice due to irresponsible commands given to them by their uncaring superiors.

Or they pulled this stunt voluntarily, then I would say they are maximum unexperienced, maybe panicked.

Looks like a naive SBP player on his first go with the sim who had never played a tank sim before.

Stupid. Maybe this is why we are so hesitent to give them more equipment.

And where the heck was their support? Did they want to win the war alone? Artillery? Mortars? Infantry? Drones? Anything...?

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, a bit of more detailed information would of been helpful.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by tonschk

FIRST OF BRITISH CHALLENGER 2 TANKS BITE THE DUST IN ZAPORIZHZHIA

Hardly comparable to the hundreds of tanks the invaders have lost.

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Hardly comparable to the hundreds of tanks the invaders have lost.

Too many to count the German leopards which already have bite the dust since
months into the flawed Nazi uikranian counteroffensive


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[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I am not impressed at all by that tank crew'S stunt.
Either they had no other choice due to irresponsible commands given to them by their uncaring superiors.

Or they pulled this stunt voluntarily, then I would say they are maximum unexperienced, maybe panicked.

Looks like a naive SBP player on his first go with the sim who had never played a tank sim before.

Stupid. Maybe this is why we are so hesitent to give them more equipment.

And where the heck was their support? Did they want to win the war alone? Artillery? Mortars? Infantry? Drones? Anything...?

The tank losses are low in comparison to Russian tank loses and for an offensive (For reference, Oryx says Russia has lost more than 12004 vehicles since its all-out war began, including 2290 tanks Ukraine - 4375 vehicle Tanks 642). It’s unreasonable to expect the Ukrainian military to replicate the US victory in Desert Storm. Though brave and resourceful, Ukraine’s army is hastily transitioning from a Soviet-style to a Western-style way of war. And it’s doing this while attempting to penetrate multiple defensive lines manned by a foe superior in the quantity of manpower, armor, artillery, and airpower. This looks exactly what might happen to troops using unfamiliar equipment and tactics.

It needs to master its new Western equipment, and that means an expensive learning curve. A few destroyed equipment can be expected from an offensive like this, the issue isn’t simply counting losses. Contributing to the problem is a strange perception that Western armor is somehow invulnerable. In fact, Abrams tanks were destroyed in Desert Storm, as were Leopard 2s in Syria. For the most part, this can be blamed on poor tactics or even friendly fire (the same also be said of Russian tank losses in Ukraine).

Ukraine NATO Tanks: Approximately 595 Delivered - 74 Visually Confirmed Lost https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/1...inst-nato.html

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by tonschk

Too many to count the German leopards which already have bite the dust since
months into the flawed Nazi uikranian counteroffensive


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Still nowhere near the losses the invaders have suffered.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by tonschk

Too many to count the German leopards which already have bite the dust since
months into the flawed Nazi uikranian counteroffensive.

That seems to be a re-worded phrase from the Battle of Kursk.

[mapuc]

Latest update as of 4th September from ISW

Ukrainian light infantry has advanced to positions beyond anti-tank ditches and dragon’s teeth anti-tank obstacles that comprise the current Russian defensive layer ahead of the Ukrainian advance in western Zaporizhia Oblast, and Ukrainian forces likely intend to hold those positions.

ISW is not prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have breached this Russian defensive layer in the absence of observed Ukrainian heavy equipment in these areas.

Geolocated footage published on September 4 indicates that Ukrainian forces advanced to tree-line positions that are east of the Russian anti-tank ditches and dragon’s teeth obstacles that are a part of a tri-layered defense immediately west of Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv).

Geolocated footage published on September 4 indicates that Ukrainian light infantry has also advanced further into a series of prepared Russian defensive positions along the road that runs northwest into Verbove.

Other geolocated footage published on September 4 indicates that Ukrainian forces have advanced up to Russian defensive positions between Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv) and Novoprokopivka (13km south of Orikhiv).

Ukrainian forces are widening the breach they have already made in one Russian defensive layer and are reportedly maneuvering more equipment and personnel into tactical rear areas of this layer.

Ukrainian forces appear to be making gains in the immediate vicinity of the not-yet-breached Russian defensive layer that runs northwest of Verbove to north of Solodka Balka (20km south of Orikhiv) with infantry assaults and heavy artillery fire on Russian positions further into and south of this layer.

The deployment of Ukrainian heavy equipment and more substantial forces to these areas than ISW has so far observed would indicate both a breach of this Russian defensive layer and an effort to widen that breach.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

[Jeff-Groves]

Uncomfirmed sources tell us why France is hesitating to deliver Leclerc tanks to Ukraine.
An unknown source has revealed that upon facing an Opponent?
The Tank switches to reverse and immediately pops up a white flag!

Germany mean while, delays delivery of the Promised Leopard tanks.
Our source reports the loss of so many tanks back in the 40's is the reason.

Spain in the mean time has shipped nearly hundreds of thousand of Insults to the Ukrainians.
Phrases such as “Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!”
Along with complete instructions on how to deliver such insults.

[mapuc]

^

^^
And I who thought this was kept secret, where they are going to make their main punch.

Of course it could be a false information, in order to get Russia sending lots of troops to that area

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

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[Jeff-Groves]

Romania has offered to send thousands of Vampires to assist Ukraine.

Hoping Ukraine will take that generous offer?
South Korea has agreed to start shipments of Garlic for the Ukrainian Troops.
South Korea is the 3rd largest producer of Garlic.

North Korea has agreed not to shoot any missle near Ukraine.

In a stunning move? China has claimed the Black Sea as part of thier territory!
Evidence produced to back up this claim? It has water.
That's pretty undeniable evidence!

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

Hi Jeff, it seems you have time to get your crayons out now, I have something for you, take your color crayons and complete this idiot rabbit image!

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I don't have time to do your portrait.

[mapuc]

Markus