Wuhan virus 2020

[Arlo]

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...rotection.html

https://www.healthgrades.com/right-c...hich-is-better

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/0...-an-infection/

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Arlo

The Salk virus, used in the U.S., wasn't a live virus, dufus.

Which has ****-all to do with my statement that more people in Africa get polio from the vaccine than the virus.

You really are trying super-hard to try and be right when you can't be.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Which has ****-all to do with my statement that more people in Africa get polio from the vaccine than the virus.

You really are trying super-hard to try and be right when you can't be.

When I can't be? That's a bad tell.

[Sean C]

When all of this first started, the "experts" said that masks were useless.


Then, everybody flip-flopped and said that masks and social distancing were vital to stopping the spread of the disease.


Then, some doctors said that hydroxychloroquine looked promising as a treatment. But as soon as Trump said it was a good idea, suddenly it was a terrible idea.


When a vaccine was amazingly produced after only a year of research, the "experts" said it was our best hope and that, if you got it, you wouldn't need to wear a mask and you could gather in larger groups.


Then they flip-flopped again and said that the vaccine doesn't protect you from contracting or spreading the disease. So ... mask up, again. Vaccinated or not.



Now they're telling us that this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated", which makes no sense when you consider that they are also telling us that the majority of people in developed countries have been vaccinated and that the "anti-vaxxers" must be some small group of crazy "right-wingers" or Trump supporters. If that is the case, then it cannot be a pandemic. Otherwise, you'd have to admit that those "crazies" are more than just a minority. And you can't have that.



Honestly, I'm surprised I've heard no mention of Christian Scientists this whole time. AFAIK, they would refuse the vaccine on religious grounds. What happens to them? Will they be shunned from society?


And some people still wonder why anyone would distrust what they are being told. There was an exposé piece many years ago about the "bird flu" and how our governments overestimated the risk and squandered billions of dollars fighting it. In the end, it was a nothing-burger. I think we'll see a similar result here. I don't think history will look kindly upon the decisions being made.



I'm reminded of a little boy who cried "Wolf!" Maybe we won't be prepared for a real threat when it arrives. Because of some political posturing. Wouldn't that be funny?


No, it wouldn't.

[Arlo]

I've never seen so many people unwilling/afraid to even wear a mask. If, in the end, it turns out that the wearing of said masks did little or nothing to help others during the pandemic I will still be glad I did so, erring only on the part of caution for the betterment of society and the health of others. What trophy will the anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers be awarding each other if it turns out the doctors and scientists were right in promoting these measures and they suddenly live in a world where every survivor buried family and friends due to their need to behave like spoiled brats?

SMDH 'The Inconvenienced Generation.'

[Dowly]

Texas anti-mask ‘Freedom Defender’ dies of COVID at age 30
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/08/t...at-age-30.html

A Texas man who led a group of “Freedom Defenders” against mask restrictions died of COVID-19 on Saturday at age 30.
[..]
Wallace helped organize “The Freedom Rally” on July 4, 2020 — a gathering described in a flier as a peaceful protest by people “sick of the government being in control of our lives,” the Standard-Times reported.

He also founded “The San Angelo Freedom Defenders,” a group “to educate and empower citizens to make informed choices concerning local, statewide, and national policy and to encourage them to actively participate in their duty to secure God-given and constitutionally protected rights,” the group’s Facebook page stated.

Jessica Wallace said her husband got sick in late July, but “was so hard-headed.”

“He didn’t want to see a doctor, because he didn’t want to be part of the statistics with COVID tests,” she said.

He then tried unproven ivermectin — a livestock dewormer that has been denounced by the FDA — high doses of vitamin C, zinc aspirin and an inhaler, the Standard-Times reported.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Arlo

I've never seen so many people unwilling/afraid to even wear a mask. If, in the end, it turns out that the wearing of said masks did little or nothing to help others during the pandemic I will still be glad I did so, erring only on the part of caution for the betterment of society and the health of others. What trophy will the anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers be awarding each other if it turns out the doctors and scientists were right in promoting these measures and they suddenly live in a world where every survivor buried family and friends due to their need to behave like spoiled brats?

SMDH 'The Inconvenienced Generation.'

But Dr. Fauci said it was pointless to wear a mask. Thank you Dr. Fauci!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Arlo

I've never seen so many people unwilling/afraid to even wear a mask. If, in the end, it turns out that the wearing of said masks did little or nothing to help others during the pandemic I will still be glad I did so, erring only on the part of caution for the betterment of society and the health of others. What trophy will the anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers be awarding each other if it turns out the doctors and scientists were right in promoting these measures and they suddenly live in a world where every survivor buried family and friends due to their need to behave like spoiled brats?

SMDH 'The Inconvenienced Generation.'

Well, like the sign says, "No shirt. No shoes. No service". Maybe mask should be added. Places of business do hang sings on the door. The signs either recommend or demand a mask.

[mapuc]

Do Mask protect a person ?

Well from what I have seen so far I would say no.

I would say it gives people a false feeling that they are protected

As mentioned before 98% handle their mask wrong before and after use.

These surgical mask Type IIR is only one-use then throw away in a bin.
Only the stripped areas may be touched not the blue front or the white back.

Secondly these Type IIR is not 100 % secure, even if you use them correctly.

That's why I wonder why we wear mask.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Texas anti-mask ‘Freedom Defender’ dies of COVID at age 30
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/08/t...at-age-30.html

Free at last, free at last - thank God he's free at last!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Do Mask protect a person ?

Well from what I have seen so far I would say no.

I would say it gives people a false feeling that they are protected

As mentioned before 98% handle their mask wrong before and after use.

These surgical mask Type IIR is only one-use then throw away in a bin.
Only the stripped areas may be touched not the blue front or the white back.

Secondly these Type IIR is not 100 % secure, even if you use them correctly.

That's why I wonder why we wear mask.

Markus

Does a safety belt protect you when driving into that wall? Not if you strangle it wrongly around your neck and throat instead of placing it correctly over your chest. Do it right, and it does a very good job of keeping you alive.

Or a bungee rubber roap. Wrap it tight around your feet and downlegs, and you will scream but suffer no big harm. Grab the lose end with a hand and leave it to that - well... lets fix the bets...

There is no protection against stupidity. If people wear a mask over their mouth but under their nose - well, I just said it: there is no protection against stupidity. Wearing these masks correctly, is not that difficult. But obstructs breathing (a sign that the filtering effect actually is there) and that is what people do not want. They simply deny realisation of why a filtering mask only filters air if it - well, filters the air. If it does not filter the air, then it does not filter air.

Life is difficult. Oh so difficult. Its depressing.


Can you understand sarcasm? No joke, but serious question.

[AVGWarhawk]

The virus is very odd for sure. There is really no rhyme or reason for who experiences not much of anything, do not get it at all and or die. For example, I know entire family who contracted COVID. Three of the family members were under it for 2 weeks. Two very elderly parents of the family one contracted COVID while his wife did not. Yet, they live together. No masks or vaccine. Another elderly aunt well into her 70's lives with the 3 that were under it for 2 weeks and she never contracted the virus.

Another incident involves one of my contractors. He is 71. Got the sniffles on a Tuesday. Some fever and chills. Saturday he decides to get tested. Sunday he is advised he has COVID. I spoke to him on this day. He stated he feels pretty good and was coming out of it. Exactly 4 days. No vaccine.

Truly a unpredictable virus.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Do Mask protect a person ?

Well from what I have seen so far I would say no.

I would say it gives people a false feeling that they are protected

As mentioned before 98% handle their mask wrong before and after use.

These surgical mask Type IIR is only one-use then throw away in a bin.
Only the stripped areas may be touched not the blue front or the white back.

Secondly these Type IIR is not 100 % secure, even if you use them correctly.

That's why I wonder why we wear mask.

Markus

I remember my NBC training and I don’t recall paper masks ever being issued to defend against biological threats. The Mk V gas mask had to be fitted and provide an airtight seal in order to defend against contamination. We used smoke that smelled like bananas to test the seal. If you smelled bananas either your mask was not sealed properly or your filters were OOC.

So I think Dr. Fauci was right when he said wearing a paper mask was pointless. Thank you Dr. Fauci

[mapuc]

This is about Corona.

Skybird has on several occasion talked about seatbelt.

Using it as a compare to the vaccine is ok.

But wearing a seatbelt can be a disaster to, as a vaccine can.

One of my elderly sisters friends has, don't know what she called it-It's something with her left shoulder. Continues pain can hardly move her left arm.
(She used it correctly)

I'm NOT saying you shall not use seatbelt-They save life. so does vaccine.

Back to our Corona discussion

Markus

[Jimbuna]