US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Even though Trump is a bona fide huckster and degenerate, you have to admit he is getting a few things right. The economy is has responded to tax cuts and trimming regulations, he's called China out for their bad practices, and he is attempting to limit illegal immigration (while the Dems want to throw the borders wide open and provide tax payer funded health care to illegals).

As well as put a couple Constitutionalist judges onto the supreme court, another 200 some odd lower court justices, USMCA and of course continuing to piss off all the right people.

[Onkel Neal]

Yes, I overlooked the Supreme Court judges. I am glad that we are able to disagree but I don't think "pissing off the right people" is commendable.

[August]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yes, I overlooked the Supreme Court judges. I am glad that we are able to disagree but I don't think "pissing off the right people" is commendable.

We'll have to agree to disagree then as it is the thing I like about Trump the most. The way I see it the democratic party has betrayed the nation with this refusal to accept the 2016 election and there ought to be some consequences for it.

[JU_88]

The only real simplification I can find in all of this, (as things have become more polarised), there is an obvious pattern

the 'left' (Democrats US, Labour UK, Socialist across Europe) keeps losng because their message is generally:
'Our nation is inherently bad, our culture is toxic, our system is broken, You should feel bad and ashamed'.
The right (Rebublicans, Conservatives) are saying Our nation is good, the sytem more or less works, you should feel proud and belive in it.

Case and point, things are not currently that bad for most people, so obviously the latter is going resonate more often.

10 years ago there was probably alot more of an appetite for some kind of Socialist or Libertarian revolution than there is now.

[FeatsOfStrength]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

You're right, I won't argue with any of that. Trump is pretty much the worst person as President I've seen in my lifetime. But, what was the alternative in 2016? Do I need to post that picture again? Is 2020 going to offer us a better alternative?

Even though Trump is a bona fide huckster and degenerate, you have to admit he is getting a few things right. The economy is has responded to tax cuts and trimming regulations, he's called China out for their bad practices, and he is attempting to limit illegal immigration (while the Dems want to throw the borders wide open and provide tax payer funded health care to illegals).

I agree with you on the economy, though I think his foreign policy leaves much to be desired. Free trade used to be one of the main pillars of Republican policy, putting tariffs on allies not to mention cooling of international relationships with allies (look at what happened at the NATO summit).. it's just asking to be knocked out of the top spot in favour of China, which is rapidly expanding it's new markets & influence across the world in many cases taking advantage of opportunities missed by the US, particularly in the past 3 years, China has been increasingly militarising and expanding it's influence.

I want him to do well as president but i'm not convinced it's not short term gain, or that he really cares about anything other than his ego.

[JU_88]

The monkey with a hammer anology of Trump was pretty good.
he often hits a vase or a mirror, but every now and then he hits a nail.

[Skybird]

Whether the "economic gains" of lil boy'S doing are there to last, and even are of the suvstance to actually call them gains, is to be debated, and they all came at a cost. China so far has not so much been called out,l but they cooly countered him, bliocked him out, and needed to make practically no big concessions at all. In his typical style, lil boy makes a big ego show with firework of it. I have linked tto economic assessments before that absolutely differ from any assessment seeing the economy as doing great. To me and many others, it looks oike a straw fire. And the bill for it is coming. Also, the job structure has been shifted even further into the region of where people work like crazy to get over the day and month, but cannot build reserves for their future. This is no sustaining policy one should label as econiomic success. its social dynamite. With china having learned that it must work for unlinking itself from the US even further, the reuslt is that China is growing STRONGER, not weaker. Nobody has called anyone to order here. The military balance has shifted further towards the Chinese.

With the deficit roaring high in the sky and debts exploding, with stockmarkets heating up like a solar flare and assets beign fundamentally overvalued, with stock investors needing to take hilarious risks, all this doe snot look like an economic success story to me. More like a dance on a cooking volcano. The chief casper makes grimaces, and the mob hoots.


Reminds of the 20s.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by FeatsOfStrength

China, which is rapidly expanding it's new markets & influence across the world in many cases taking advantage of opportunities missed by the US, particularly in the past 3 years, China has been increasingly militarising and expanding it's influence.

Bingo! I think you just partly explained why U.S. trade policies with China have changed. We have gone from an 'unprecedented scope of cooperation" stated in the 2015 U.S. National Strategy. Then as we watched China's unprecedented growth we went to 'must compete’ and ‘compete with all tools’ in the 2017 report.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmo...ons-behind-it/


It doesnt have jack squat to do with one mans ego, orange hair, trump bad man etc etc. It's competitive business practice and national interests. Of course there is no doubt it will always be used in one way or another for political hay by both parties. Nor is China some unstoppable sly economic juggernaut outsmarting outplaying the world.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Whether the "economic gains" of lil boy'S doing are there to last, and even are of the suvstance to actually call them gains, is to be debated, and they all came at a cost. China so far has not so much been called out,l but they cooly countered him, bliocked him out, and needed to make practically no big concessions at all. In his typical style, lil boy makes a big ego show with firework of it. I have linked tto economic assessments before that absolutely differ from any assessment seeing the economy as doing great. To me and many others, it looks oike a straw fire. And the bill for it is coming. Also, the job structure has been shifted even further into the region of where people work like crazy to get over the day and month, but cannot build reserves for their future. This is no sustaining policy one should label as econiomic success. its social dynamite. With china having learned that it must work for unlinking itself from the US even further, the reuslt is that China is growing STRONGER, not weaker. Nobody has called anyone to order here. The military balance has shifted further towards the Chinese.

With the deficit roaring high in the sky and debts exploding, with stockmarkets heating up like a solar flare and assets beign fundamentally overvalued, with stock investors needing to take hilarious risks, all this doe snot look like an economic success story to me. More like a dance on a cooking volcano. The chief casper makes grimaces, and the mob hoots.


Reminds of the 20s.

Well it almost is the 20's :P

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Well it almost is the 20's :P

How dare you!

[August]

Well according to Skybird this may all just be a secret Trumpian plot to fool everyone into voting for Putin or whatever he's ranting about lately, but personally I have been making money hand over fist, especially in the last two years, as his policies and the tax cuts have taken effect. This has happened not because of investments but through regular wage increases and i am not the only one seeing it either. Just about everyone in my industry has had their boats lifted by the same orange tide.

[Rockstar]

Speaking of making money hand over fist.

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/...the-u-s-media/

JUST AS WAS TRUE when the Mueller investigation closed without a single American being charged with criminally conspiring with Russia over the 2016 election, Wednesday’s issuance of the long-waited report from the Department of Justice’s Inspector General reveals that years of major claims and narratives from the U.S. media were utter frauds

[August]

Interesting article:

You may accept the opening lines of the Horowitz Report that the FBI did not act with political bias over the course of its investigation. Or you can find a clearer understanding in Attorney General William Barr’s summary of the Report: “that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions.” You will need to reconcile the grotesque use the information the FBI gathered was put to after Trump was elected, the fuel for the Mueller investigation, and years’ worth of media picking at the Russian scab.
The current Horowitz Report, read alongside his previous report on how the FBI played inside the 2016 election vis-a-vis Clinton, should leave no doubt that the Bureau tried to influence the election of a president and then delegitimize him when he won. It wasn’t the Russians; it was us. And if you walk away concluding that the FBI fumbled things, acted amateurishly, failed to do what some claim they set out to do, well, just wait until next time.
On a personal note, if any of this is news to you, you may want to ask why you are only learning about it now. The American Conservative has been one of the few outlets that’s consistently exposed the Steele Dossier as part of an information op nearly since it was unveiled, and which has explained how the FISA court was manipulated, and which has steadily raised the question of political interference in our last election by American intelligence services. We claim no magical powers or inside information. To those of us who have been on the fringes of intelligence work, what was obvious just from the publicly available information was, well, obvious.
If you are reading any of this for the first time, or know people who are reading bastardized MSM versions of it for the first time, you might ask yourself why those outlets went along with Steele, et al. Their journalists are no dumber or smarter than ours. They do, however, write with a different agenda. Keep that in mind as we flip the calendar page to 2020.

https://www.theamericanconservative....h-the-fbi-now/

[Rockstar]

So its been quite evident, to me anyway, the impeachment hearing was fueled by hearsay. But I always thought hearsay isnt admisable in a trial even one held in the senate. I wonder how thats gonna work.

I wish Schiff was around to explain this but hes seems to have dropped out of sight. Hell Im still waiting for the hard evidence he claimed to have had of f the 2016 Russian election conspiracy.

Pelosi was right when she said this would be divisive. Looks like Pelosi lost her grip and Schiff is the democrats new cock of the walk.

[JU_88]

From what i understand, few Americans actually care that much about this impeachment business.