Wuhan virus 2020

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by August

They have real problems to worry about, no time for made up ones.

Hurricanes are real and so is Covid. Reality extends beyond a personal bubble.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

They have real problems to worry about, no time for made up ones.

I don't see that as a made up problem, I see it as a real threat that needs to be considered, and planned for, as it's in the range of possible outcomes, possible problems.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I don't see that as a made up problem, I see it as a real threat that needs to be considered, and planned for, as it's in the range of possible outcomes, possible problems.

Foresight vs. hindsight. Some don't even have a firm grasp on the latter.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I don't see that as a made up problem, I see it as a real threat that needs to be considered, and planned for, as it's in the range of possible outcomes, possible problems.

Yeah sure, keep your useless mask right next to your escape kit if it will make you feel better but I'd think being drowned or killed by flying debris would trump any such minor worries.

Besides I thought you guys didn't care if the unvaccinated got sick. I believe the general consensus here was that since they are considered to be all Trump supporters then they deserve to die, isn't that right?

[Buddahaid]

Well you got that wrong. I don't want anyone to die from getting Covid and at the same time I think anti-vaccers and anti-maskers are just too lazy, or stubborn, to do do the easy things to help get past the worst of it. No, I can't provide a guarantee that would be the case, but I can say more people will die otherwise as that is proven already.

I don't find obstinence in the face of a pandemic as patriotic in the least sense, rather, I find it the worst form of selfish indulgence.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I don't find obstinence in the face of a pandemic as patriotic in the least sense, rather, I find it the worst form of selfish indulgence.

Pretending that taking a vaccine is some kind of patriotic altruism is crap. We took those covid shots to protect ourselves, not anyone else. That is just as selfishly indulgent as refusing to take it.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Pretending that taking a vaccine is some kind of patriotic altruism is crap. We took those covid shots to protect ourselves, not anyone else. That is just as selfishly indulgent as refusing to take it.

I see your point of view but I can't agree with it. I suppose we'll just have to respect our opposing views.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Skybird

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...475-8/fulltext



A new study again confirms that Delta increases the risk of hospitalization by at least factor 2 over Alpha strains. Especially unvaccinated people should listen, they enjoy the adventure of raised stakes this autumn and winter. If you win in the lottery, you have much higher chances to win the jackpot for sure.



All the vaccinated loosers have just to foot the fews' bill. Thank you - but not thanks.

Mortality rate remains >2%.

[Arlo]

Disclaimer warning: Lots of big words.

https://asm.org/Articles/2021/July/H...iant-B-1-617-2

[Rockstar]

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah sure, keep your useless mask right next to your escape kit if it will make you feel better but I'd think being drowned or killed by flying debris would trump any such minor worries.

Besides I thought you guys didn't care if the unvaccinated got sick. I believe the general consensus here was that since they are considered to be all Trump supporters then they deserve to die, isn't that right?

On masks... We knew *before* COVID that outside of a clinical setting using N95s, when used by those trained in their use, that masks are pretty much useless against airborne respiratory viruses. The University of Waterloo study that came out recently proves that, yes, COVID behaves like every other airborne respiratory virus when it comes to non-N95 masks used by the general public.

BTW, here's a scanning electron microscope picture of a cotton cloth mask, magnified 40x. Red boxes are pores in the weave. The size the average person believes the COVID virus particle is superimposed. The *actual* size is barely discernable in the black box in the center.

[Buddahaid]

The roof gets blown off of a Louisianna hospital so now it's a real problem.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58378788

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Mortality rate remains >2%.

Discussion

New SARS-CoV-2 infections in England are increasingly caused by the delta variant. Although the proportion of cases caused by the delta variant was 20% overall during the study period, this increased to 74% of new sequenced cases in the week starting May 31, 2021.9
To our knowledge, this study provides the largest whole-genome-sequencing dataset for SARS-CoV-2 in a high-income country to date, enabling the assessment of hospitalisation risk for the delta variant compared with the alpha variant using linked administrative data. The results suggest that patients with the delta variant had more than two times the risk of hospital admission compared with patients with the alpha variant. Emergency care attendance combined with hospital admission was also higher for patients with the delta variant, showing increased use of emergency care services as well as inpatient hospitalisation. Similar results were observed for the subgroup of unvaccinated patients when comparing risks of both hospital care outcomes between the two variants. In the subgroup of patients who had received at least one vaccine dose (≥21 days since their first dose), the precision was too low to determine whether the risks of the outcomes were higher or similar for patients with the delta variant compared with patients with the alpha variant. It has previously been reported that vaccination leads to a similar relative reduction in the risk of hospitalisation for patients with the delta variant or the alpha variant.12
This is consistent with the findings in the present study: overall, the number of hospital attendances were low in the vaccinated subgroup resulting in low-precision relative risk estimates.