Climate Change

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Fuel in fission reactors is usually in solid form, can you please clarify your question?

The regular, uranium fuel rods heating water etc.

A thorium reactor is a liquid fuel fission reactor, but it's still experimental

[ikalugin]

Or you could use liquid uranium salts (for example), liquid fuel reactors are tricky. The issue with non standard isotope fuels is that you have to manufacture those, hence why regular (unenriched) uranium reactor is about the best thing around.

[Oberon]

128mm sea level rise north of NYC in 24 months:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31604953

[Rockstar]

Sea levels have risen 150 meters since last ice age. An estimated 60 meters of ocean waters currently locked up in polar ice caps. And it's not the first time its happened either, so get used to it, if you live long enough to see it.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by ColdFront

A necromancy here, but this essay is really good: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/2...nformed-troll/

Actually that is a pretty bad essay for a number of reasons. Rather than wasting my time with dissecting and critiquing that "essay" myself, I'll go with this critique instead.

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/12/i...we-talked.html

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Positive proof that climate science is full of bloviated blowhards and copious amounts of bovine scatterings.
Some scientists will say and do anything to keep the grant money flowing.
It's all about the Benjamins.

It's a blizzard bby.

Hmm ya... so what about all the grant money coming from the other side of the fence, ya know from the oil and gas industry, and all the other companies that have a vested economic interest to prevent environmental reforms or finding cleaner energy sources... hmm? I'm sure the funding they give out for counter research amounts to peanuts compared to the funding coming from government and the universities.

And yet despite that, we end up with something like this (Which Dowly first posted)


This also implies, by your logic. that the vast majority of the scientific community is completely corrupt. If that were true, then where are all the whistle blowers? You know, the young idealist researchers just starting out, who still have ethics and all of that. Surely at least a few would have come out by now with damning evidence of this scientific fraud you claim.

I postulate that the planet goes through cycles of hot and cold depending on the solar cycles of Sol

Umm kind of sort of.. no. That is just one small part of the equation. It is way more complex than that. Here...
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/causes.html
http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

that man's short span in time on this earth is just a blip on the radar compared to that.

True, but then the rate of climate change right now is dramatically different compared to previous major climate events, with the exception of extreme catastrophe, like say the planet getting hit by a large comet. The rate of change is orders of magnitude faster than any other previous warming or cooling event.

Are they even looking at the amount of greenhouse gases being released by volcanos?

We need to find a way to plug those things!

I'm sure that will solve it, given that volcanoes account for 1% of of the global carbon dioxide emissions. Plus its not like volcanoes are a new thing...

Originally Posted by Rockstar

No, I don't think its a contradiction. I knew when I was 9 years old a warming trend exsisted. The problem I had then is just as people have now. That is no one person on this planet has the answer why. I think trying to argue that pollution causes something that has been happening for 18,000 years is at best futile.

Global warming AND cooling is as science has shown a very naturally occurring phenomenon, whats to be afraid of? Prepare for it like you would any other weather system or season. Gets cold? then dress warm, floods? move to higher ground. Get too hot? wear sunscreen. Shouldn't be a problem we've done it all our life. I think the causes of global warming is an endless argument and big distraction.

Well global warming could trigger off an event like this. The Clathrate gun hypothesis. The worst thing, is that there already exists some evidence that this process has already started, and that we are heading to a mass extinction event.

That's just one example of how things could go very badly.


Anyhow, the problem always with this discussion, is that it is mostly about dogma, between people that don't even begin to understand the science or the theory. This is why it is nigh impossible to change a person's mind, no matter how much you obliterate the others argument. Good scientists are flexible in their thinking, they are able to realize and accept when their theory is conclusively shown wrong. To date there is absolutely no conclusive evidence disproving the major theories about climate change. None. This doesn't mean that we should stop trying to disprove it mind you (as this is the most important aspect of science). But we better seriously consider that the theories are more or less correct, and what the implications are.

[August]

I still say we're the only thing staving off the next ice age.

[Rockstar]

Hey, I'm all for science, let them learn and study and publish their findings people can and will learn from it. But this global warming stuff has in my opinion turned into a fiasco of attention whores, politicized and divisive squabbling over funds, donations, placing blame, headlines, boasting. Its all crap. Unfortunately it appears everyone has their own agenda and it never seems to coincide with making the world a better place. Instead it all comes down to who can make the most money. Like those self-depreciating arse-hats that come along and start preaching the climate change gospel, then proceed to profit off it to the tune of 100 million dollars selling "carbon credits"

It is my humble opinion this warming trend is a natural occuring phenomenon just as the possible result of a clathrate gun going off is. Which by the way was an interesting read. It is also my humble opinion at this point in time neither can be controlled. But who knows science just might find a solution and figure that out. I will not rule out miracles either, I just don't know.

Look, the way I see it, we all have death on our list of things to do. Wether it's because we're too stupid to build on high ground, partying on the beach during a hurricane, avalanche, Earth letting go a big fart and we all die smelling it, getting run over by elephants or we are just too damn old and the body gives out on us. We will all at one point in our lives have to face the inevitable. And I'd bet too this is what a lot of this warming trend fiasco and panic stems from.

Life IS too short to get wrapped up fretting like many seem to do over our demise. The way I see it what we do between our birth and death is whats important. We should go out live life too its fullest do something you never done before, have fun, achieve.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Sea levels have risen 150 meters since last ice age. An estimated 60 meters of ocean waters currently locked up in polar ice caps. And it's not the first time its happened either, so get used to it, if you live long enough to see it.

Get used to it? I'm probably going to be living in it.



The town high street in 1953.



All Saints Church in Dunwich over the course of two centuries.

[Rockstar]

I get to see it here in the Chesapeake Bay too. The house pictured below finally fell into the bay just a few years ago. It once was part of a community established in the 1600's on Holland Island, all of which is now underwater. Due to sea level rise and land mass sinking back iinto the bay.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I get to see it here in the Chesapeake Bay too. The house pictured below finally fell into the bay just a few years ago. It once was part of a community established in the 1600's on Holland Island, all of which is now underwater.

Aye, it's not just rising sea levels but erosion that gets ya.

[Rockstar]

Yep, science not only suggests sea level rise but errosion too. There also some suggesting land is still slowly washing back into a crater created by a massive meteor strike near what is now Cape Charles Virginia.


and life goes on. well, atleast untl the Earth farts (clathrate gun)

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Yep, science not only suggests sea level rise but errosion too. There also some suggesting land is slowly sliding back into a crater created by a massive meteor strike near what is now Cape Charles Virginia.


and life goes on.

Oh aye, we'll move, shift, adapt, survive. There may yet be large die-offs, but in a way that is a level of balance, if we over-populate then eventually something will happen to put that balance right, disease, natural disaster, war over debated resources because there's not enough to go around.

I think the real goal of climate change science should be to find out how to minimise our impact on the planet, whilst also minimising the planets impact on us.

[Onkel Neal]

Man, it's getting bad out west. Any of you have this impact you?

California Gov. Jerry Brown on Wednesday imposed mandatory water restrictions for the first time on residents, businesses and farms, ordering cities and towns in the drought-ravaged state to reduce usage by 25%.

"This historic drought demands unprecedented action," Brown told reporters, standing on a patch of dry, brown grass in the Sierra Nevada mountains that is usually blanketed by up to 5 feet of snow.

The 25% cut in usage amounts to roughly 1.5 million acre-feet of water (an acre-foot of water equals about 325,000 gallons) over the next nine months, state officials said.

"We're in a new era," Brown said. "The idea of your nice little green grass getting lots of water every day, that's going to be a thing of the past."

Too bad they can't ship the New England snows west!

The article includes Texas, but I thought Texas is nearly back to normal levels after the non-stops rains this winter. At least it seems to be on the Gulf Coast...

Edit: Hmmm. I guess not

Texas reservoirs, which sit 64.9 percent full (less than a percent above the record low, The Eagle reports). Over two dozen manmade lakes, used to store water for cities, agriculture and industry, are less than 40 percent full.

But not all of Texas is parched.

Houstonians relax; this city's main reservoir, Lake Livingston, is 100 percent full, and the same is true for most of East Texas. It's the north and central parts of the state that have reason to worry.

[Rockstar]

R. O.

[Aktungbby]

^Thank god! I won't have to mow the lawn much longer! Besides, who really cares about the water( the tribulation) <the rapture. Water in California is always politics and it's business as usual. revisit Chinatown the movie.