The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

Shiplord · 01-26-10, 07:57 AM

will this be the new DRM system for SH5 also?
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/52...rything-Online

Lanzfeld · 01-26-10, 08:04 AM

Yeah. I have "The Orange Box" (Halflife 2) and it really blows to have to go online each time I want to play it.

:d own:

kiwi_2005 · 02-09-10, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

Yeah. I have "The Orange Box" (Halflife 2) and it really blows to have to go online each time I want to play it.

:d own:

Just don't install the Orange box and then stop playing it then year or so later go back and forget password.

I had a hell of a time trying to convince the techs i was telling the truth, cause i thought i lost the manual that had the key printed on it I was stuffed. Well not really stuffed i could still play Half life 2 and Portal but not Team-fortress 2 which online is required. Did a good clean up and found the manual, took a digital photo of the key which they required and emailed that to them once they confirmed i wasn't bull ****ting them they were very supportive. But what angered me is i was telling the truth from the start!

Whatever happen to Innocent till proven guilty!

Besides didn't matter after about a week of playing TF2 i gave it up couldn't really get into it. So i resold The orange box and made a profit! Auction sites let the bidding begin. lol

ronjonthobi · 02-09-10, 10:03 AM

i think that ubisoft should take a long hard look at this site before the ever announce something as stupid and ridicluous as this DRM feature.

Also i have found out....i think it was from subsim that 89% of people who would buy the game won't beacause of the DRM feature. And i am 100% behind those guys.

I also think that ubisoft

are going to lose so much money from the lack of sales of the game if its brought out with the feature.....and lets be honest the game is probably gonna get cracked anyhow...its just gonna be the legit gamers who are gonna get screwed over

Gilbou · 01-26-10, 08:06 AM

I will not buy the game if this happens with SH5.

Recently I bought Rainbox Six Vegas 1 and 2 to play with friends,
and the security software fails on my new PC which has a brand
new combo drive (DVD reader+writer and Blueray). Ubisoft has not
been able to help (buy a new drive or a new PC even if I just spent
cash to buy a new one and it's under warranty unless I change a
piece of it so I'm not going to void my warranty...) and the company
that did the security check (Securom) never replied after three
help requests...

I won't make that mistake twice.

>> Last edited by Neal Stevens; 01-26-2010 at 02:12 PM. Reason: Read forum rules about cracks
I understand the edit Neal. What I don't is you removed the most important
part of my post : DRM in various games has destroyed the gaming community
we had created with friends. We met, over the years, playing the same games.
We gathered, created our own website, keeping the patches there and game
info. We played, every day, together for years. And DRM broke all of that.
With each new game, each new DRM, some of our members, real friends,
could no longer play with us. They spent days, weeks trying to find a solution,
and they did not. The editors of the games offered no solution. The editors
of the security DRM code never bothered answering any request : NONE.
So others kept playing, and slowly, less and less players came to the games.
Today, the site is gone. The friends are gone. Left are our memories of
funny and great gaming moments spent together, in old games we no longer
play. It is a very bitter taste.

I do understand why you did edit the post, and I do agree with you.
But you did remove what was the most important and painful thing
about this whole DRM issue. You are pushing the finger in the wound
and turning it in doing so.

Onkel Neal · 01-26-10, 08:12 AM

I'm betting all PC games will go to online authentication eventually. True, there are a few people on the planet who play games in their doublewide without internet accesss, and there are occasions where internet access is not available to play, but the PC gamer is usually connected to the web 24/7.

Reece · 01-26-10, 08:37 AM

There are still a lot of people who don't have phone lines let alone an internet connection, and a lot with only 56k dialup modems, would cost a phone call every time they wanted to play, that sucks!!

Onkel Neal · 01-26-10, 08:42 AM

Haha, not so many, I think. And how many of them play high end games?

Alienfresser · 01-26-10, 08:56 AM

Hey even mass effect 2 will come without DRM, besides is the DISK in the tray.

TDK1044 · 01-26-10, 08:59 AM

I understand the point that Neal is making, and I think he's right, but I'm not happy with this kind of authentication. If DRM online is part of Silent Hunter V, then it will certainly give me pause for thought.

I'm glad I haven't pre ordered the game yet. By the same token though, Ubisoft has not yet stated that Silent Hunter 5 will require DRM online authentication.

If they do, then as the 'Sharks' say....."I'm out".

Sulikate · 01-26-10, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Crappy DRM would be the only reason for me not buying SH5. I don't care what the rationale behind this or that DRM is, it's crap. Eventually ALL games get cracked, no matter how "strong" their protection is, so a good old serial number is as good as any fancy protection, and it doesn't bother legit users.

Truth has been told here

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SteamWake · 01-26-10, 09:54 AM

Which would you rather have that or a call to put the disk in every time you want to play?

Gilbou · 01-26-10, 09:57 AM

Online authentication, okay.

And they day they stop the servers ? What will you do ?
Stare at the DVD cover ? Play with memories of the game ?

You're no longer buying a game you can play as much as you want.
You're renting a game. And when they pull the plug, it ends for you.

I will not accept online requirement to play a game. Not because of
the hassle, but because someday they can pull the plug and either
diseappear or don't care about you playing an old game.

snapli · 02-06-10, 06:46 AM

Hi all!

I had to join this forum to comment on this DRM-issue, too. And there is one thing, that didn't get enough attention after all:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Crappy DRM would be the only reason for me not buying SH5. I don't care what the rationale behind this or that DRM is, it's crap. Eventually ALL games get cracked, no matter how "strong" their protection is, so a good old serial number is as good as any fancy protection, and it doesn't bother legit users.

You won't buy a complete game; all you'll get for your $$$ is just a fragment of a game, with the missing parts being downloaded at runtime. That's the reason for the permanent connection requirement and that's the reason why the whole crack-idea will fail, in the end.

I agree that almost every other game was cracked in the past, but these guys had the whole package in their hands to do their dirty work ...

I bought SH3, won't buy SH5 as I can not support buying something that I don't own completely and, furthermore, being dependend on external infrastructure.

Cheers,

Snapli

JU_88 · 02-06-10, 06:54 AM

The biggest question I would have is, what will Ubisoft do if (or should I say 'when') the pirates produce an offline crack for their OSP?
If this happens, wouldn't it be most wise for them to patch out the system on all effected games immediately?
If they dont, surely they could end up with a piracy epidemic similar to that of EA's Spore - or worse?

01-26-10, 07:57 AM	#1
Shiplord Helmsman Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 109 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread will this be the new DRM system for SH5 also? http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/52...rything-Online

02-09-10, 10:03 AM	#4
ronjonthobi Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	Ubisoft shouldn't use DRM!!!!!! i think that ubisoft should take a long hard look at this site before the ever announce something as stupid and ridicluous as this DRM feature. Also i have found out....i think it was from subsim that 89% of people who would buy the game won't beacause of the DRM feature. And i am 100% behind those guys. I also think that ubisoft are going to lose so much money from the lack of sales of the game if its brought out with the feature.....and lets be honest the game is probably gonna get cracked anyhow...its just gonna be the legit gamers who are gonna get screwed over

01-26-10, 08:06 AM	#5
Gilbou Chief Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: France Posts: 313 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	I will not buy the game if this happens with SH5. Recently I bought Rainbox Six Vegas 1 and 2 to play with friends, and the security software fails on my new PC which has a brand new combo drive (DVD reader+writer and Blueray). Ubisoft has not been able to help (buy a new drive or a new PC even if I just spent cash to buy a new one and it's under warranty unless I change a piece of it so I'm not going to void my warranty...) and the company that did the security check (Securom) never replied after three help requests... I won't make that mistake twice. >> Last edited by Neal Stevens; 01-26-2010 at 02:12 PM. Reason: Read forum rules about cracks I understand the edit Neal. What I don't is you removed the most important part of my post : DRM in various games has destroyed the gaming community we had created with friends. We met, over the years, playing the same games. We gathered, created our own website, keeping the patches there and game info. We played, every day, together for years. And DRM broke all of that. With each new game, each new DRM, some of our members, real friends, could no longer play with us. They spent days, weeks trying to find a solution, and they did not. The editors of the games offered no solution. The editors of the security DRM code never bothered answering any request : NONE. So others kept playing, and slowly, less and less players came to the games. Today, the site is gone. The friends are gone. Left are our memories of funny and great gaming moments spent together, in old games we no longer play. It is a very bitter taste. I do understand why you did edit the post, and I do agree with you. But you did remove what was the most important and painful thing about this whole DRM issue. You are pushing the finger in the wound and turning it in doing so. Last edited by Gilbou; 01-26-10 at 06:21 PM. Reason: Read forum rules about cracks

01-26-10, 08:12 AM	#6
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I'm betting all PC games will go to online authentication eventually. True, there are a few people on the planet who play games in their doublewide without internet accesss, and there are occasions where internet access is not available to play, but the PC gamer is usually connected to the web 24/7. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

01-26-10, 08:37 AM	#7
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,681 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	There are still a lot of people who don't have phone lines let alone an internet connection, and a lot with only 56k dialup modems, would cost a phone call every time they wanted to play, that sucks!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

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01-26-10, 08:04 AM	#2
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Yeah. I have "The Orange Box" (Halflife 2) and it really blows to have to go online each time I want to play it. :d own:

01-26-10, 08:42 AM	#8
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Haha, not so many, I think. And how many of them play high end games? __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

01-26-10, 08:56 AM	#9
Alienfresser Watch Join Date: May 2005 Location: Irgendwo Posts: 18 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Hey even mass effect 2 will come without DRM, besides is the DISK in the tray. __________________ I sieg nix, i soag nix und i hoer nix. Basta

01-26-10, 08:59 AM	#10
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I understand the point that Neal is making, and I think he's right, but I'm not happy with this kind of authentication. If DRM online is part of Silent Hunter V, then it will certainly give me pause for thought. I'm glad I haven't pre ordered the game yet. By the same token though, Ubisoft has not yet stated that Silent Hunter 5 will require DRM online authentication. If they do, then as the 'Sharks' say....."I'm out".

01-26-10, 09:54 AM	#12
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Which would you rather have that or a call to put the disk in every time you want to play? __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

01-26-10, 09:57 AM	#13
Gilbou Chief Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: France Posts: 313 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Online authentication, okay. And they day they stop the servers ? What will you do ? Stare at the DVD cover ? Play with memories of the game ? You're no longer buying a game you can play as much as you want. You're renting a game. And when they pull the plug, it ends for you. I will not accept online requirement to play a game. Not because of the hassle, but because someday they can pull the plug and either diseappear or don't care about you playing an old game.

02-06-10, 06:54 AM	#15
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	The biggest question I would have is, what will Ubisoft do if (or should I say 'when') the pirates produce an offline crack for their OSP? If this happens, wouldn't it be most wise for them to patch out the system on all effected games immediately? If they dont, surely they could end up with a piracy epidemic similar to that of EA's Spore - or worse?