Europe's migrant problem

I can't say if the following is true, or made up, but I stumbled over it and it worries me:

[Torplexed]

If that lower picture is anything to go by, Mecca is a tiny spot in the middle of a English classroom floor.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Austerity has hit hard over here.

When the Haj shows up it should bring in a few pounds. The queue through the door is gonna be nasty though.

[Schroeder]

Funny, Merkel now says that the refugees only have a temporary right to stay in Germany and have to return once the war in Syria is over....I believe it when I see them leave...It's the first time I've heard her (or any top politician for that) say something like that. Until now we've been talking about spending billions to build houses, educate them for our job market and integrate them into society.... Most of that would not be necessary if they can only stay a couple of years anyway.
Guess the pressure finally took it's toll on her or she's just trying to calm everyone down even though I don't see the vast majority leaving even if the war would be over in half a year.
http://www.businessinsider.com/merke...16-1?op=1&IR=T

[mapuc]

(this should be the correct thread)

And it seems like the ordinary citizens in Sweden are prevented in knowing the truth about refugees and immigrants behavior-If they want to know they have to use "hide my ip-locations" stuff.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...ng-court-case/


Or read Swedish news paper located outside Sweden.


Markus

^
This is getting out of hand.
More and more reports about censorship - not only in Sweden, all over Europe - are heard and while I haven't checked them case by case, what I have seen or heard so far is gut-wrenching.
Now, imagine we wouldn't have the internet where boundaries don't exist - if you take the necessary steps - we might be completely left in the dark and would all believe the "It's all dandy!" BS you hear.

Recently I've seen a German TV show, directed mostly at students/young people. The host, a young woman, lived with refugees in a house or whatever for a week or two, accompanying(spell?) one of them, a young black guy from some African country. They talked about how many friends he has, how he likes to play football and what a good student he is...

In the end, she said, in the most naive way "When I look at you, I don't even know why the German people are afraid of!"
...
Really now sunshine? You pick the best possible example of all refugees and then act as if that is the norm?
Meanwhile in real life, we can see what kind of people MOST 'refugees' seem to be.

Long story short: It is more than obvious how most European media, be it newspapers, Television and even social networks (by deleting "hate speech") desperately try to make sure that we all only see what we are supposed to see and I feel like a fool for being so naive as to believe "this would never happen again".

Think twice, I guess.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Denying that there is a bad though is definitely not a solution.

Which goes both ways, of course. People who only think in extremes are unreasonable (or... Sith-Lords).
However, for me it doesn't even matter who the majority is (as in 51% or more?).
For me it is way below that.
It is like so many people deliver the eternal "Not all muslims are radicals!" catchphrase in defense of the Religion of Peace(™), while ~15-25% (!) are "dedicated to the destruction of the western civilization", according to western intelligence agencies (who of course, are all lying and following evil and racist agendas... )
A tad too much, don't you think?
If it would be around 1-3%, Jesus... who cares, loonies are everywhere in every form - but maybe up to 25%? Errrr...

Same with refugees, so "majority" really doesn't matter for me.

[mapuc]

I don't know if you have heard of this Riot that happened last night in Stockholm

Where group of Swedish men mostly young attacked refugees.

Before they did that they shared flyers out to people in and around the main station (train)

Here is what was written on this flyer(have used google translate

it's enough now!

The fact that Sweden is not as it once was can hardly have escaped anyone's attention at the moment, and in principle, so we are forced every day to wake up to even more murders, robberies, rapes and other abuses.

We have been forced to live through countless cases of this type of crime where perpetrators more or less escape punishment by postulating younger than 15 years.

Around the country it flows in with reports that police no longer powers to prevent and investigate the high crime affecting the Swedish people. In some cases, such as the murder of the young woman who worked at an asylum center for the so-called "lone future refugee" in Molndal, it has now gone so far that the National Commissioner of Police choose to express more sympathy for the perpetrator than the victim

The kind of disrespectful behavior has become so ingrained in our profligate politicians, our relax judiciary and our mendacious media that no longer surprise us, but we shy away from accepting the repeated frequent attacks on Swedish women, and we shy away from accepting terrorisation of our once safe communities

When our political leadership and our police show greater sympathy for the criminals than the victims, then there is no longer any excuse for letting it happen without protest. When the Swedish streets are no longer safe to move on to ordinary people, then it is our DUTY to act on the problems.

Today, we have collected 200 Swedish men to mark against the North African "street kids" are rampant in the area around the capital's central station. Police have provided ample evidence that they are powerless to stop their behavior, and we therefore see no other way than to give them the punishment they deserve

The judiciary has surrendered and thus the social contract is broken. Therefore, it is now every Swedish man's duty to defend our general public area on the imported crime.

We who gather today is not your politicians, your reporter or your police. However, we are your father, your brother, your husband, your colleague, your friend and your neighbor. Swedish men and women deserve security in their everyday lives and we encourage all others who see the problems, to follow in our footsteps - both in Stockholm and other places around the country. For a better future together

It comes as no big surprise for me. It was only a matter of time and I can't say if this is one-time action or if it will raise in strength and expanded to other cities.

Markus

Originally Posted by mapuc

I can't say if this is one-time action or if it will raise in strength and expanded to other cities.

Markus

Can't say I know the answer but I do know that vigilantism is the wrong way and they will be severely punished. The law doesn't like vigilants - ask Batman.

The letter was a good call, true or not, but this militia-mob vigilantism is the worst thing to do and will only deliver lots of fuel for those who still wear their little love-glasses of intercultural friendship.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, like you say in the first line, people who think in extremes are unreasonable, and thus the saying 'Not all muslims are radicals' is reasonable since it is not thinking in extremes or absolutes.

I must admit, 400 million radicals though? Good thing we've got the Russians in this war I guess.

Come on, the old phrase "not all muslims" has nothing to do with reason, but with shutting your eyes and ears while yelling "lalala i can't hear your facts, I must be Gutmensch!".

Also, you seem to have missed my point?
"Not all..." doesn't matter when 15-25% ARE.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Can't say I know the answer but I do know that vigilantism is the wrong way and they will be severely punished. The law doesn't like vigilants - ask Batman.

The letter was a good call, true or not, but this militia-mob vigilantism is the worst thing to do and will only deliver lots of fuel for those who still wear their little love-glasses of intercultural friendship.

While I would cheer on and maybe supply some vigilante groups that would do their homework about who's face they'll kick to the curve so only the bad guys get thrashed, I am too un-naive not to know that such groups will target those that will give the least resistance, like poor Ahmed selling kebab at the corner while hidding from some more organised groups.

Batman was good becasue he did background checks on who's behind to kick.
''nationalists'' will only focus on weak targets.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Can't say I know the answer but I do know that vigilantism is the wrong way and they will be severely punished. The law doesn't like vigilants - ask Batman.

The letter was a good call, true or not, but this militia-mob vigilantism is the worst thing to do and will only deliver lots of fuel for those who still wear their little love-glasses of intercultural friendship.

As a person who have lived in Sweden for about 35 years I know how a person who is critics to the official refugee politics is treated and how they treat a person who openly say he or she support the Sweden Democrats.

Sweden is democratic dictator ship when it comes to that.

Markus

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Come on, the old phrase "not all muslims" has nothing to do with reason, but with shutting your eyes and ears while yelling "lalala i can't hear your facts, I must be Gutmensch!".

Also, you seem to have missed my point?
"Not all..." doesn't matter when 15-25% ARE.

I found it really funny that a statistic was published a week or so ago which confirmed that 40% of all northern African immigrants become criminals in Germany. 40%!!! That's almost every second guy.
I'm certain that would have been kept a secret before Cologne happened and everybody pointing out the high crime rate among those people would have been labeled a Neo Nazi.

@Betonov

And that's exactly the problem. Those idiots just want top beat somebody up and they aren't exactly picky about who that is. The next best guy who looks foreign is usually the target.

[Skybird]

Ochlocracy. The dictatorship of the plebs. The holy grail of majority votes.

When I walk on the streets and get assaulted by three men, and two hold me and the third picks my wallet with my money, and my watch and my papers, what do you think I will report to the police (if I care to do so)? That there was a majority vote that decided 3:1 to expropriate me and have my money donated for the demand of the majority, and since I am a "good democrat" I decided to comply after I lost the vote - or will I rather report a crime and that I became the victim of a street assault conducted by three attacking dirtbags?

Democracy originally was a feudal system in which the voting ones had to qualify for being allowed to cast a vote by contributing at least as much to community interests as they benefitted. The later European feudal elite caste of society they were. 5-15% of the overall population of an ancient Greek polis, or a later European kingdom.

Not popular to remind of this, I know. But true. Ancient Greece, pre-Aristotelian era. What is called democracy today, in reality is what for the ancient "inventors" of democracy, the Greeks, was tyranny.

Point of the story: it is usually a very bad idea toi have every Peter and every Paul being allowed to vote if they do not have more at risk that is their own than they get in return from the community. Becasue then you have a pleb who always will claim the right of the majority to assault those who have more than the others, and plunder them. This is what today is called democracy or "social" market economy" - in princple the law of the strongest with a big lobby of profiteers.

[mapuc]

A few stories from the time when I lived in Sweden

This is from the end of the middle of the 90s

Have started on a new training course at lunch I was reading a news paper. Said something like,

This crime can only have been done by people from outside Sweden. When I had said that, the others attacked me verbally and asked me if I was a racist or a Nazis if I put my vote on Sweden democrats.

Some hours later it was all forgotten.

Now we jump some month ahead.

I had become very good friends with one of them. One day I was visiting him. Suddenly, he said something that got me thinking of.

Sweden can not accept so many refugees / immigrants and many of them are just trying to live as a parasite on our welfare system.

officially the Swedis people approve the Swedish asylum policies

unofficial they hate it-they dare not say so openly -At least not most of them.

Today or in the past few years, there seems to be a change in this