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[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by waste gate

So, insider medical publications (New England Journal of Medicine) are more reliable?

Did I say or insinuate this?

I said:

Groups that take part in inside analysis are notorious for touting rosey claims regarding that industry.

I thought that I stated my view on the matter in a very clear manner. I apologize if it was in any way vague.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Did I say or insinuate this?

I said:

I thought that I stated my view on the matter in a very clear manner. I apologize if it was in any way vague.

Did I say or insinuate this?

Yes you did.

Heh. No, industry insiders never lie. Cigarette, anyone?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Yes you did.

My reference was to big tobacco, and it's claims, contrary to those of the Surgeon-General, that niccotine was, in fact, not addictive. It is a very similar position to the one that big oil finds itself in in this day, ie that oil production is not very harmful, and that oil supplies are plentiful. It is my belief that in the next decade, you will see a sort of backpeddling that you did with big tobacco.

Comparisons with the medical profession are not apt. Although responsible for various false claims, tobacco included, no one is looking to rid the world of doctors. Oil, however, is another matter. The industry needs to spin information to a much greater degree because of the much greater threat facing it. It boils down to a matter of self-preservation.

Comparisons with the medical profession are not apt.

If you check back to your previous response you brought cigarettes and by implication the medical profession (and the legal profession for tha matter) into the discussion. So, if it isn't apt now then it wasn't when you brought it forth earlier.

contrary to those of the Surgeon-General

All the Surgeon-General warnings on my Marlboros claim adverse health effects, but nothing regarding addiction. I may agree with you regarding the addictive nature of nicotene. But this in no way removes the credibility of industry publications like those of The PennWell Petroleum Group.

Seems to me the most telling part of your last post is your anxiety regarding "big tobacco", big oil, big anything that you aren't part of. I suspect you also have issues with Detroit auto makers, Microsoft, the defence industry, the media, the State of Isreal, the Catholic Church and any other organization or business entity which isn't government controlled.

I don't wish to put words in your mouth or misjudge you and you are more than welcome to rebut any and all of the above if you so wish. But please, when you do rebut give an alternative that is viable, and won't place us back into the stoneage.
Also try to remember remember you cannot put the jeenie back into the box.

[MothBalls]

Jeeeeze, the verbage police have arrived and will be conducting investigations into your thoughts before you write them.

Which cigarette company do you work for?

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Jeeeeze, the verbage police have arrived and will be conducting investigations into your thoughts before you write them.

The verbage police sounds like more government.

PS I don't and never have worked for a cigarette company.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by waste gate

If you check back to your previous response you brought cigarettes and by implication the medical profession (and the legal profession for tha matter) into the discussion. So, if it isn't apt now then it wasn't when you brought it forth earlier.

So that's what I meant. Thank goodness that you were here to tell me.

All the Surgeon-General warnings on my Marlboros claim adverse health effects, but nothing regarding addiction. I may agree with you regarding the addictive nature of nicotene. But this in no way removes the credibility of industry publications like those of The PennWell Petroleum Group.

That's not what I said. Stop with the semantics.

Seems to me the most telling part of your last post is your anxiety regarding "big tobacco", big oil, big anything that you aren't part of. I suspect you also have issues with Detroit auto makers, Microsoft, the defence industry, the media, the State of Isreal, the Catholic Church and any other organization or business entity which isn't government controlled.

You suspect too much, too often. Down, boy.

I don't wish to put words in your mouth or misjudge you.....

Then don't.

..... and you are more than welcome to rebut any and all of the above if you so wish. But please, when you do rebut give an alternative that is viable, and won't place us back into the stoneage.
Also try to remember remember you cannot put the jeenie back into the box.

You are too far outside for me to rebutt anything. I will not be drawn into semantics with you. Furthermore, alternatives are not required when offering critique. I do not have to have a personal and comprehensive energy plan when chastising the nature of the oil industry. Bad is bad, wrong is wrong. Conservatism, which is what this is really about; particularly Republican Conservatism, used to be about that. When it left, so did I. As it leaves this discussion, I follow suit.

Go ahead. Have your last word, but know that I won't bother reading it.