no world map in SH4???

Garrincha · 08-25-06, 11:37 AM

http://pc.ign.com/articles/727/727647p1.html

"The single-player campaign stretches across more than 15 maps, and multiplayer modes allow for cooperative or combative action for eight players via a LAN or four players online."

just a thought: Now will this mean you are warped to the general patrol area, and won't be able to travel all the way, which of course would be a nuisance at best...

In the end i would still prefer to depart from Pearl and sail across the vast Pacific, even if it would take me the better part of a real hour to get there.

Am i misreading something, or is this article misinformed?

cheers,
G

Safe-Keeper · 08-25-06, 11:40 AM

That one really frightened me, too.

But then in another review I read that I was "able to roam the map as I pleased and go whereever I want", so I suppose they're keeping the world map.

Or maybe they're increasing the scale of it and thus have to break it down into smaller maps? A 1:1-scaled representation of, well, anyplace in the Pacific would be awesome.

But I sincerely don't hope it means the campaign's not dynamic anymore

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WilhelmSchulz. · 08-25-06, 01:03 PM

If it is I might not buy it.

Safe-Keeper · 08-25-06, 01:09 PM

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Am i misreading something, or is this article misinformed?

I just noticed you left the worst possibility out. Was that intentional, or was it your sub-conscious denial-in-the-face-of-bad-news instinct kicking in?

To be honest, it does not sound good at all, one way or another.

Garrincha · 08-25-06, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

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Am i misreading something, or is this article misinformed?

I just noticed you left the worst possibility out. Was that intentional, or was it your sub-conscious denial-in-the-face-of-bad-news instinct kicking in?

To be honest, it does not sound good at all, one way or another.

sub-conscious denial-in-the-face-of-bad-news instinct

It seems like such a leap back in simulation, that i'm not even seriously considering it...

It can't be true... therefore it isn't

Sonarman · 08-25-06, 03:20 PM

Bigger is not always necessarily better. If the maps are smaller and split into operational areas (as they were in the original Silent Hunter) it might actually give us much greater detail. Instead of generic ports we may have a more accurate representation of the actual cities and harbours. And smaller more focussed charts may allow for the inclusion of the depth datum which was absent from the charts in SH3.

kylania · 08-25-06, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

But I sincerely don't hope it means the campaign's not dynamic anymore

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It'll be dynamic as seen in this quote:

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Subsim: Describe the campaign feature. Will SH4 have the same style dynamic campaign that was successful with SH3?

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SH4 Dev Team: No, of course not. We’ll have a much better campaign this time. We’ll do this, among other methods, through more varied patrol objectives and constant interaction with COMSUBPAC and special events that serve to keep you on your toes even in the middle of nowhere.

Subsim: There are geographic aspects of the Pacific war that are distinctly different than the U-boats Atlantic war, such as numerous shoals and reefs, uncharted areas (marked on the maps as "dangerous ground", etc.), and countless islands. Describe how SH4 will capitalize on these areas.
SH4 Dev Team: You can’t have most of the special missions without wading in shallow waters, where there is not much room to dive into when trouble comes! The game will take players close to land on many occasions, especially, but not only, in the SUBSOWESPAC command area.

Now, the second answer isn't clear enough to tell if it'll be a full world map or just selected areas of the theater?

Safe-Keeper · 08-25-06, 01:16 PM

Thanks, I'd forgotten about that quote.

TheSatyr · 08-25-06, 08:55 PM

Sounds to me like they are breaking it down ito patrol zones...which is the way it should be. Subs didn't leave their assigned patrol areas unless ordered to...or unless they had damn good reason to do so. I hope they use the USN patrol zone numbers. Looking forward to pulling area 7 for a patrol.

Safe-Keeper · 08-26-06, 02:25 AM

If it's broken down and the pieces are 1:1, I won't complain as much. I remember patrolling the Norwegian fjords and being disappointed at how low the mountains were (their height was of course scaled down, too). So...

The Noob · 08-26-06, 03:01 AM

Sounds Bad....

Maybe the want to do something Like with Silent Service 2?:hmm:

Garrincha · 08-26-06, 03:50 AM

just figured it out... they can do BOTH.... Get high detailed patrol areas, and bind them with low detailed transit areas... The waves are the same, but i doubt i anyone will have a problem with "depth over 500 fathoms" when your test depth is 400 ft... (this might actually be the way SH3 worked)

longdog499 · 08-26-06, 06:03 AM

IMHO no matter how they might try to dress it up, no World Map would be a massive step back from SH III.I don't even want to think about the possibility.

THE_MASK · 08-26-06, 06:22 AM

I think you are making a balls up of this . When they say 14 different maps or whatever arent they talking about the single player missions .

Immacolata · 08-26-06, 07:02 AM

If they left out parts of the pacific ocean that is irrelevant to the game, I can't see a problem. Only realism fetishists would be annoyed about not having vast stretchces of empty ocean to paddle around in.

In Silent Hunter III I've heard about people who navigated all the way to south africa and so forth. Me, I stuck to my convoy routes and paid USA a visit. To me, they could have left out most of the atlantic south of equator and I wouldn't have noticed

08-25-06, 11:37 AM	#1
Garrincha Seaman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Posts: 33 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	no world map in SH4??? http://pc.ign.com/articles/727/727647p1.html "The single-player campaign stretches across more than 15 maps, and multiplayer modes allow for cooperative or combative action for eight players via a LAN or four players online." just a thought: Now will this mean you are warped to the general patrol area, and won't be able to travel all the way, which of course would be a nuisance at best... In the end i would still prefer to depart from Pearl and sail across the vast Pacific, even if it would take me the better part of a real hour to get there. Am i misreading something, or is this article misinformed? cheers, G

08-25-06, 11:40 AM	#2
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	That one really frightened me, too. But then in another review I read that I was "able to roam the map as I pleased and go whereever I want", so I suppose they're keeping the world map. Or maybe they're increasing the scale of it and thus have to break it down into smaller maps? A 1:1-scaled representation of, well, anyplace in the Pacific would be awesome. But I sincerely don't hope it means the campaign's not dynamic anymore. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

08-25-06, 01:03 PM	#3
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	If it is I might not buy it. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

08-25-06, 01:16 PM	#8
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Thanks, I'd forgotten about that quote. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

08-26-06, 02:25 AM	#10
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	If it's broken down and the pieces are 1:1, I won't complain as much. I remember patrolling the Norwegian fjords and being disappointed at how low the mountains were (their height was of course scaled down, too). So... __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper. Last edited by Safe-Keeper; 08-26-06 at 02:29 AM.

08-25-06, 03:20 PM	#6
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	Bigger is not always necessarily better. If the maps are smaller and split into operational areas (as they were in the original Silent Hunter) it might actually give us much greater detail. Instead of generic ports we may have a more accurate representation of the actual cities and harbours. And smaller more focussed charts may allow for the inclusion of the depth datum which was absent from the charts in SH3.

08-25-06, 08:55 PM	#9
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sounds to me like they are breaking it down ito patrol zones...which is the way it should be. Subs didn't leave their assigned patrol areas unless ordered to...or unless they had damn good reason to do so. I hope they use the USN patrol zone numbers. Looking forward to pulling area 7 for a patrol.

08-26-06, 03:01 AM	#11
The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sounds Bad.... Maybe the want to do something Like with Silent Service 2?:hmm:

08-26-06, 03:50 AM	#12
Garrincha Seaman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Posts: 33 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	just figured it out... they can do BOTH.... Get high detailed patrol areas, and bind them with low detailed transit areas... The waves are the same, but i doubt i anyone will have a problem with "depth over 500 fathoms" when your test depth is 400 ft... (this might actually be the way SH3 worked)

08-26-06, 06:03 AM	#13
longdog499 Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wales U.K. Posts: 119 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	IMHO no matter how they might try to dress it up, no World Map would be a massive step back from SH III.I don't even want to think about the possibility.

08-26-06, 06:22 AM	#14
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	I think you are making a balls up of this . When they say 14 different maps or whatever arent they talking about the single player missions .

08-26-06, 07:02 AM	#15
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	If they left out parts of the pacific ocean that is irrelevant to the game, I can't see a problem. Only realism fetishists would be annoyed about not having vast stretchces of empty ocean to paddle around in. In Silent Hunter III I've heard about people who navigated all the way to south africa and so forth. Me, I stuck to my convoy routes and paid USA a visit. To me, they could have left out most of the atlantic south of equator and I wouldn't have noticed