Iran Enriches Uranium- Now's the Time to Strike

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

You can't put up so you shut 'em up.

me put up!!!!

1- show me one wmd as you claim is lying all over the place...

2- show me where i said that iran was no threat... that you assert that i proposed...

any one of em... show me any one...


you are the one in order for a lil putting up...
you're totally incoherent... yet you continue babbling... absolutely amazing

--Mike

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

me put up!!!!

1- show me one wmd

2- show me where i said that iran was no threat...


you are the one in order for a lil putting up...

you're totally incoherent... yet you continue babbling... amazing

--Mike

You're in a loop, Mike.

Each time you pass the starting point, take another valium.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

You're in a loop, Mike.

typical fools reply... i expected nothing more...

translated, your reply means...

i have no proof Mike... my mind is going... my mind is going Mike... i can feel... i can feel it ... i'm afraid Mike...



--Mike

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Come fa l'onda là sovra Cariddi,
che si frange con quella in cui s'intoppa,
così convien che qui la gente riddi.

Qui vid'i' gente più ch'altrove troppa,
e d'una parte e d'altra, con grand'urli,
voltando pesi per forza di poppa.

Percoteansi 'ncontro; e poscia pur lì
si rivolgea ciascun, voltando a retro,
gridando: «Perché tieni?» e «Perché burli?».

Così tornavan per lo cerchio tetro
da ogne mano a l'opposito punto,
gridandosi anche loro ontoso metro;

poi si volgea ciascun, quand'era giunto,
per lo suo mezzo cerchio a l'altra giostra.
E io, ch'avea lo cor quasi compunto,

dissi: «Maestro mio, or mi dimostra
che gente è questa, e se tutti fuor cherci
questi chercuti a la sinistra nostra».

Ed elli a me: «Tutti quanti fuor guerci
sì de la mente in la vita primaia,
che con misura nullo spendio ferci.

~Inferno, VII v. 25-42

I ran this through a web text translator. Good stuff!

It's Saturday night and my daddy's up late
Pickin' with my Uncle Bill
The neighbors don't mind 'cause they have a good time
Sippin' on my pappy's still
Old brother Dan's got a fiddle in his hand
Momma's on the mandolin
When the music is right and the band gets tight
You ought-a see 'em pick and grin

[Chorus:]
And everybody starts movin'
To the sound of the guitar strums
And everybody starts groovin'
To the beat of the rhythm and drums
So come along and let yourself really go
???? while the feeling is good
Just sip that wine, have a really good time
And listen to a country song.

Old Sheriff Brown he never comes around
Knocking on the old back door.
As a matter of fact you can find him in the act
Pickin on the old banjo.
Second cousin Jack sneaks up from the back
Tries to get to sister Sue.
Well she throws him on the ground without turning around
'cause she knows a lotta jujitsu.

[Takeda Shingen]

Very well, I shall provide you with the John Ciardi translation. It preserves Dante's rhyme scheme:


Just as the surge Charybdis hurls to sea
crashes and breaks upon its countersurge,
so these shades dance and crash eternally.

Here, too, I saw a nation of lost souls,
far more than were above: they strained their chests
against enormous weights, and with mad howls

rolled them at one another. Then, in haste
they rolled them back, one party shouting out:
"Why do you hoard?" and the other: "Why do you waste?"

So back around that right they puff and blow,
each faction to its course, until they reach
opposite sides, and screaming as they go

the madmen turn and start their weights again
to crash against the maniacs. And I,
watching, felt my heart contract with pain.

"Master", I said, "what people can these be?
And all those tonsured ones there on our left--
it is possible that they were all of the clergy?"

And he: "In the first life beneath the sun
they were so skewed and squinteyed in their minds
their misering or extravagance mocked all reason.



So heavy, those boulders must be. Perhaps it is time that the two of you left them alone.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Very well, I shall provide you with the John Ciardi translation.

I had already read the actual translation of Canto VII.

So heavy, those boulders must be. Perhaps it is time that the two of you left them alone.

That's whay I thought a lil' country music might lighten things up.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I had already read the actual translation of Canto VII.

That's whay I thought a lil' country music might lighten things up.

My mistake on both counts. Apologies all around.

[MadMike]

My posting on U235 and Pu above was info for Skybird.
Still waiting for that MOS, AFSC, or Rating, Hense.

Getting back onto the original subject, is there any reason the Israeli's shouldn't have taken out the Osirak reactor back in '81 (versus Iranian facilities today)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirak

Yours, Mike

[The Avon Lady]

Policy on Iran nukes seems to be off-target
April 16, 2006
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Happy Easter. Happy Passover. But, if you're like the president of Iran and believe in the coming of the "Twelfth Imam," your happy holiday may be just around the corner, too. President Ahmadinejad, who is said to consider himself the designated deputy of the "hidden Imam," held a press conference this week -- against a backdrop of doves fluttering round an atom and accompanied by dancers in orange decontamination suits doing choreographed uranium-brandishing. It looked like that Bollywood finale of ''The 40-Year-Old Virgin,'' where they all pranced around to "This Is The Dawning Of The Age Of Aquarius." As it happens, although he dresses like Steve Carell's 40-year-old virgin, the Iranian president is, in fact, a 40-year-old nuclear virgin, and he was holding a press conference to announce he was ready to blow. "Iran," he said, "has joined the group of countries which have nuclear technology" -- i.e., this is the dawning of the age of a scary us. "Our enemies cannot do a damned thing," he crowed, as an appreciative audience chanted "Death to America!"

The reaction of the international community was swift and ferocious. The White House said that Iran "was moving in the wrong direction." This may have been a reference to the dancers. A simple Radio City kickline would have been better. The British Foreign Office said it was "not helpful." This may have been a reference to the doves round the atom.

You know what's great fun to do if you're on, say, a flight from Chicago to New York and you're getting a little bored? Why not play being President Ahmadinejad? Stand up and yell in a loud voice, "I've got a bomb!" Next thing you know the air marshal will be telling people, "It's OK, folks. Nothing to worry about. He hasn't got a bomb." And then the second marshal would say, "And even if he did have a bomb it's highly unlikely he'd ever use it." And then you threaten to kill the two Jews in row 12 and the stewardess says, "Relax, everyone. That's just a harmless rhetorical flourish." And then a group of passengers in rows 4 to 7 point out, "Yes, but it's entirely reasonable of him to have a bomb given the threatening behavior of the marshals and the cabin crew."

That's how it goes with the Iranians. The more they claim they've gone nuclear, the more U.S. intelligence experts -- oops, where are my quote marks? -- the more U.S. intelligence "experts" insist no, no, it won't be for another 10 years yet. The more they conclusively demonstrate their non-compliance with the IAEA, the more the international community warns sternly that, if it were proved that Iran were in non-compliance, that could have very grave consequences. But, fortunately, no matter how thoroughly the Iranians non-comply it's never quite non-compliant enough to rise to the level of grave consequences. You can't blame Ahmadinejad for thinking "our enemies cannot do a damned thing."

It's not the world's job to prove that the Iranians are bluffing. The braggadocio itself is reason enough to act, and prolonged negotiations with a regime that openly admits it's negotiating just for the laughs only damages us further. The perfect summation of the Iranian approach to negotiations came in this gem of a sentence from the New York Times on July 13 last year:

"Iran will resume uranium enrichment if the European Union does not recognize its right to do so, two Iranian nuclear negotiators said in an interview published Thursday."

Got that? If we don't let Iran go nuclear, they'll go nuclear. That position might tax even the nuanced detecting skills of John Kerry.

By comparison, the Tehran press has a clear-sightedness American readers can only envy. A couple of months back, the newspaper Kayhan, owned by Ayatollah Khamenei, ran an editorial called "Our Immortality And The West's Disability," with which it was hard to disagree: Even if one subscribes to the view that sanctions are a sufficient response to states that threaten to nuke their neighbors, Mohammad Jafar Behdad correctly pointed out that they would have no serious impact on Iran but would inflict greater damage on those Western economies that take them seriously (which France certainly won't).

Meanwhile, the Washington Post offers the likes of Ronald D. Asmus, former deputy assistant secretary of state under President Clinton, arguing "Contain Iran: Admit Israel to NATO." "Containment" is a word that should have died with the Cold War, and certainly after the oil-for-food revelations: Aside from the minimal bang for huge numbers of bucks, you can't "contain" a state. Under the illusion of "containment," events are always moving, and usually in favor of the fellow you're trying to contain. But the idea that the way to "contain" Iran is to admit Israel to NATO elevates "containment" from an obsolescent striped-pants reflex to the realm of insanity.

All the doom-mongers want to know why we went into Iraq "without a plan." Well, one reason is surely that, for a year before the invasion, the energy of the U.S. government was primarily devoted to the pointless tap-dance through the United Nations, culminating in the absurd situation of Western foreign ministers chasing each other through Africa to bend the ear of the president of Guinea, who happened to be on the Security Council that week but whose witch doctor had advised against supporting Washington. Allowing the Guinean tail to wag the French rectum of the British hindquarters of the American dog was a huge waste of resources. To go through it all again in order to prevent whichever global colossus chances to be on the Security Council this time (Haiti? The South Sandwich Islands?) from siding with the Russo-Chinese obstructionists would show that the United States had learned nothing.

Bill Clinton, the Sultan of Swing, gave an interesting speech last week, apropos foreign policy: "Anytime somebody said in my presidency, 'If you don't do this, people will think you're weak,' I always asked the same question for eight years: 'Can we kill 'em tomorrow?' If we can kill 'em tomorrow, then we're not weak, and we might be wise enough to try to find an alternative way."

The trouble was tomorrow never came -- from the first World Trade Center attack to Khobar Towers to the African Embassy bombings to the USS Cole. Manana is not a policy. The Iranians are merely the latest to understand that.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

ohhh ooohhhh... here she goes again... quoting someone else, who is in turn quoting a lunatic... and then using that to ruin the HAPPY EASTER/HAPPY PASSOVER holidays by trying to instill her own insecurities and fears into everyone else...


@Mad Mike... why are you sitting there waiting for my AFSC... what significance is that gonna be... anyways, i was aircrew, loadmaster, then flight eng... what was that 654xx or 645xx... or something... it's been a while...i can go and pull the papers to check...

but why is it so important to you... and what bearing would it have on this discussion... (discussion... hah, that's a joke )

--Mike

[Skybird]

Is this thing still going on...???

[Drebbel]

Better BUMP this thread, who needs a real war when we have this thread over at subsim.

:P

Any one need a THISTHISTHIS to throw with ? That might get the smiles back in this thread.

[MadMike]

Latest in case anyone doesn't read the news-

Former Israeli General Warns of Pre-Emptive Strike on Iran
By Robert Berger, VOA, Jerusalem
Israel has a contingency plan for a crushing military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. The revelation by a retired Israeli general has set off a political storm.

Former army Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon says Israel has the ability to launch a pre-emptive strike that could set back Iran's nuclear program for years. He said that a single attack would not be sufficient, and that Israel was not limited to air strikes, a possible reference to submarine-fired missiles. Ya'alon who ended his term as army chief last year, said Israel's anti-missile defenses would protect it from an Iranian counterattack.

His remarks set off a political storm, with government officials accusing him of giving away military secrets. Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert played down the comments.

Olmert said Israel is part of an international coalition against a nuclear Iran, suggesting that the Jewish state would not act alone.

But Israel has grown increasingly alarmed about Iran's nuclear program since late October, when the Iranian president threatened to "wipe" the Jewish state "off the map." Israeli officials have said repeatedly that the U.S. and U.N. should play the lead role in confronting Iran, but Israel has expressed concern that the international community is moving too slowly.

There is a precedent for a pre-emptive strike, the Israeli air force destroyed Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981. Whether or not the former army chief's comments were authorized, Israel has sent a tough message to Iran and the international community, that there is a military option.


Yours, Mike

[Skybird]

Has anyone seriously expected that Israel is NOT planning for this eventual option?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Is this thing still going on...???

Yep. Mike's got nothing better to do. If you don't agree with him, you're "going again", your sources are "lunatics" and your opinions are jokes.

Also, I don't agree with Mike that Mark Steyn, by quoting Bill Clinton, is quoting a lunatic. I don't personally care for Clinton at all but I see no need to resort to belittling the former president.