I seriously don't get it.........

[August]

Originally Posted by Type941

so again you attack on personal basis and never bothering to comment on what i said on the issue. Seniority doesn't grant you the right to say that you know better. In fact I believe that it's possible that some younger people would hold a more objective view. Don't cast me aside because I'm in mid 20s, I've graduated university at 19 for example. Age isn't that important. You still can't have a better view on Russia since you never lived there. If you think that's a wrong way to look at things, that's ok, but don't tell me I'm just giving you arrogant bull. All i've been doing thus far is replying to you. In fact I am much less aggrevated with you now that you said how old you are since it makes sense why you would be so much against russia/ussr and all that.

I'm not casting you aside, but i seriously disagree with the idea that youth promotes a more objective viewpoint of the world. Remember, I was once your age too and i therefore know from experience just how strong and blind the passions of young adults can be.

You'll understand this too in about 20 years when you reach my age and lest you think i'm coming off as superior, please note that i'm postive that there's 60 year olds reading this and laughing at both of us hot headed youngsters.

Life is a journey that you must travel a little before you make up your mind where it's heading.

And BTW i have nothing against the Russian people. Those that i have met during and after the USSR have always been nice folk with a rich culture and appealing zest for life. It makes me really happy that with the Soviet Union gone we can now be friends.

[Type941]

Originally Posted by August

It makes me really happy that with the Soviet Union gone we can now be friends.

Amen to that.

[gdogghenrikson]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Type941, you say Americans have no clue what they are talking about, but if you looked at the mirror for a second, what do YOU know? You say you grew up in the Soviet Union, what do YOU know about individual responsabilities, individual freedom, individual duty, individual rights, etc. etc..

You don't want people to generalize your Soviet Union but you generalize America and Americans, you spit anti-americanism but you deny the crimes and horrors of the Soviet Union.

Now it's my turn to generalize: While people like you were sitting back home watching the official propaganda channel somebody's else grandfather was passing away in a gulag, gladly people like you would never know, care or bother with it because you would soon be enjoyning a vacation to the black sea, how can a blind man judge anybody ignorant?

well put

[Damo1977]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Most of the USSR's citizens were prisoners of their own ideology. The beneficiairies of the Communist system were the 2 legged pigs at the top of the government, military, and industry. The rest of the country were reduced to mostly equivalently unhappy and rights-suppressed underlings.

I disagree, I reckon at least half of the USSR citizens, knew what was going on and benefiting from it....Otherwise I do not believe the USSR would have survived as long as it did before or after Stalin death.

Type941, I agree that you shouldn't feel sorry about what Stalin did. Its a bit like here in Australia. They are trying to make us say sorry for the crimes the earlier generations did to the Aborigines. Yes I do feel sorry for what happened to them, but I or my family did nothing to them, I wasn't born and my family hadn't arrived in Australia.

and Sharkstooth asks, 'What do you like about America?'
Well NHL, Cameron Diaz and GW Bush's adventures on his bike. I reckon he should have been a clown, instead of President. I have never known someone to be his age and fall of his bike as often as he does :rotfl:

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Damo1977

I disagree, I reckon at least half of the USSR citizens, knew what was going on and benefiting from it....

Half? Half benefited? How? What statistics do you base yourself on? Economic ones? Show them here. Waiting.................. :hmm:

Otherwise I do not believe the USSR would have survived as long as it did before or after Stalin death.

Regards to N. Korea's Lil' Kim. Not the first. Not the last.

[Kapitan]

I-gor fetch me my hammer yesss masster

[Sharkstooth]

Well NHL, Cameron Diaz and GW Bush's adventures on his bike. I reckon he should have been a clown, instead of President. I have never known someone to be his age and fall of his bike as often as he does

He does take alot of tumbles, doesn't he. I figure he should just stick to riding horses--would be lot safer for him.

[Type941]

Damo - my point about not feeling sorry was basically that it's rediculous to expect a child to appologise for what his/her parents did. So when in conversation I'm being told I should appologise for Stalin's crimes I say 'go get yourself a perspective'.

[Kapitan]

my dad smashed the living hell out of a bloke down the pub a few years ago should I go an appologise for his doing ?

no so why should the grandchildren do it now ?

(hypothetical)

[Type941]

I know, absurd, but some people just don't get that.

[Kapitan]

i know i know

[Damo1977]

Avon Lady, Did you wait long? :P I shall say I don't have any hardcore facts. But the average person would have benefited more living under the Soviet rule than before the revolution with Czar Nicholas. SO they would have been quite happy living under the soviet rule due to them only knowing what life was like living under Czar Nichloas.

and Kapitan please explain for I am unlearned
'I-gor go fetch my hammer'?

Must go to work........
Take care all

[Kapitan]

igor is and fetch me my hammer so i can whack some one with it *mention no names*

[Type941]

yyeees maaastaa.. :rotfl:

[Kapitan]

lol