Finland Politics thread - Page 5

Jeff-Groves · 08-24-22, 09:32 PM

What's the problem?
They wanted a 'Party Leader', they got one.

Aktungbby · 08-25-22, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

What's the problem?
They wanted a 'Party Leader', they got one.

...who obviously didn't attend a proper finnishing school for proper young ladies??!

Red Devil · 08-25-22, 09:15 AM

Finlands PM is a DOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

media make me cringe. So a PM is not allowed to go and have a few and dance on a Saturday night. BS

Gorpet · 08-27-22, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by August

I'm old enough to remember people saying that JFK wasn't acting presidential when he suddenly stripped off his clothes and jumped into Santa Monica bay.

Personally I don't mind these momentary displays of youthful ribaldry among executives because it's a sign they are not the stick in the mud types I so loath.

He would never survive today. He has hair on his chest and to Musculair.

Gorpet · 08-27-22, 02:37 AM

There is no way Finland's PM Sanna Mirella Marin, Can best America's representative, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And the Germans have Angela Dorothea Merkel.

Catfish · 08-27-22, 04:39 AM

This is a non-thread

Jimbuna · 08-27-22, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

This is a non-thread

Yep

August · 08-27-22, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorpet

There is no way Finland's PM Sanna Mirella Marin, Can best America's representative, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And the Germans have Angela Dorothea Merkel.

You had to look up Merkels middle name just so they would all have three names, right?

Rockstar · 11-12-22, 11:16 PM

Original

https://www.fr.de/politik/putin-merk...-91901608.html

Google translate

https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/pol..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Finland angry at Germany: "You didn't understand the basic rule in dealing with Russia"

Created:11/13/2022 4:55 am

By: Anna-Katharina Ahnefeld

Germany's reputation in the world has suffered greatly since the Ukraine war. Finland's anger at Berlin is new: "How slowly are you learning to read Russia"?

Helsinki/Brussels/Cologne – A cartoon recently circulated in Finland. Two men are sitting in a bathtub filled with oil, the liquid is foaming between them, one of them is leaning calmly on the edge of the pool, the other is anxiously holding his hands up. The first is the Russian ruler Vladimir Putin, the second Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD). The caricature reveals something about the seething in Finland in view of Germany's Russia policy. Finland is furious with Germany, furious with the traffic light government for its reluctance to deliver arms to Ukraine, furious with Germany's energy dependence on Russia.

Minna Ålander, political scientist at the renowned think tank Finnish Institute of International Affairs in Helsinki, is also upset in an interview with IPPEN.MEDIA 's Frankfurter Rundschau . Until recently, Ålander lived in Germany, where he worked for the Politics and Science Foundation. She has only been back in Finland for a few months. She says: "Germany is not even aware of how much its own role in the EU has changed."

Germany in the Ukraine war: Finland is appalled by German security policy

Russia's war in Ukraine is a turning point - that's nothing new. Nor that the perception of Germany has suffered greatly in the international community despite the promise of a "turning point in time". But that Finland is also angry about Berlin - that's what it is. With its five and a half million inhabitants, the Nordic country has fewer inhabitants than Hesse, but is one of the strongest military powers in Europe. Also because Helsinki has never forgotten the danger posed by the former Soviet Union . Politics in Finland is therefore security policy.

And that's the crux of the matter. The fact that Germany has primarily pursued economic goals in its foreign policy in recent decades, such as Nord Stream 2, is incomprehensible to the Finns. To make matters worse, the Federal Republic has actually been regarded as the closest and like-minded partner in the European Union. Those times seem over: “In Finland, the perception of Germany has changed significantly this year. Germany is still considered the most important partner within the EU, but the extent of German policy mistakes in the Merkel era, especially in energy policy, has clearly come to light - with serious consequences for all of Europe," says Ålander. That Germany is so dependent on Russia for its energy policyhas embarked, Finland belches badly.

The Finnish MEP Petri Sarvamaa (EPP) underlines this as well. In an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau by IPPEN.MEDIA, he too was dismayed at the German understanding of Russia. He asks: "How slowly is Germany learning to read Russia?" He cites the Kremlin 's nuclear threats as an example . According to the Finn, he has no idea how the Federal Republic can jump over every little stick that Russia holds out to them. The threats are nothing more than a "bluff", the last remnants of Vladimir PutinStrategy. Sarvamaa: “We need to wake up and realize that these guys never say what they mean and they never mean what they say. That is the basic rule for understanding Russia, which Germany completely misunderstood.”

Germany in the Russia-Ukraine war: allegations from Helsinki to Berlin – Baerbock makes promises

Speaking of waking up. On the day the Russian invasion war broke out in Ukraine, Annalena Baerbock said a remarkable sentence: "We woke up in a different world." The Greens meant a world in which war is raging again in Europe. But it quickly became apparent that it is also a world in which Germany's credibility suffers greatly. The German reaction to the Ukraine war is too slow, too little and too defensive , is the accusation that echoes through Eastern Europe in particular.

“We will convince the rest of Europe that we will do what is necessary to defend Ukraine.”

Federal Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock (Greens)

Germany is too unprepared, says Minna Ålander. “A shocking realization here in Finland was the state of the Bundeswehr. This complete unpreparedness for potential risks and crises in Germany is incomprehensible from a Finnish point of view,” said the expert on Nordic and German security policy. All the risks of German energy policy materialized in the most brutal way. Well aware of the damage Germany's image has suffered, Foreign Minister Baerbock promised during her trip to Warsaw in October: "We will convince the rest of Europe that we will do what is necessary to defend Ukraine", with reference to the delivery of the cheetah tanks.

Not only said cartoon recently circulated in Finland, but also a video recording of the Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin. A reporter asks the prime minister about a way out of the Ukraine war. The 36-year-old pauses briefly and then replies: "The way out of the conflict is for Russia to leave Ukraine. This is the way out of the conflict,” said the Finn. As she leaves, you can hear her laughing, the question seems so superfluous to her. It is such a matter of course that the Finns obviously miss in Germany.

Skybird · 11-13-22, 06:18 PM

^ Little to add ot that. And the Frankfurter Rundschau is a quite left-leaning and politically hyper-correct German newspaper!

Dowly · 03-17-23, 11:53 AM

*Beep boop*

Both Turkey and Hungary have indicated they are now willing to ratify Finland's NATO membership. President Niinistö is in Turkey atm.

The original plan of Finland and Sweden joining together has been abandoned and it seems Finland is going in alone. That I am fine with.

Jimbuna · 03-17-23, 12:13 PM

Congratulations to Finland and hopefully Sweden will follow soon.

Catfish · 03-17-23, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

*Beep boop*
Both Turkey and Hungary have indicated they are now willing to ratify Finland's NATO membership. President Niinistö is in Turkey atm.

The original plan of Finland and Sweden joining together has been abandoned and it seems Finland is going in alone. That I am fine with.

I think this is a good thing, congratulations.
Now if you could please inject a bit of reason in (most) german politicians

Skybird · 03-17-23, 03:10 PM

If need be, Nato will simply act as if Sweden were nato member. Cooperation and adjustment of procedures since years run already as if Sweden already were member. Turkey only delays a formality, and this at quite a cost for itself.

August · 03-17-23, 03:56 PM

Glad to hear it. Good enough for now i'd say. It's not like Sweden shares a land border with Russia.

08-25-22, 09:15 AM	#63
Red Devil The Old Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield England Posts: 1,540 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 0	Finlands PM is a DOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL media make me cringe. So a PM is not allowed to go and have a few and dance on a Saturday night. BS __________________ > > Captain!, there's a destroyer on the por........ periscope is flooded Sir! > Darkness is only the absence of Light; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge © www.worldwartwo.uk www.captainwalker.uk

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11-13-22, 06:18 PM	#70
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,605 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ Little to add ot that. And the Frankfurter Rundschau is a quite left-leaning and politically hyper-correct German newspaper! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-17-23, 12:13 PM	#72
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Congratulations to Finland and hopefully Sweden will follow soon. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-24-22, 09:32 PM	#61
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	What's the problem? They wanted a 'Party Leader', they got one.

11-12-22, 11:16 PM	#69
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Original https://www.fr.de/politik/putin-merk...-91901608.html Google translate https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/pol..._x_tr_pto=wapp Finland angry at Germany: "You didn't understand the basic rule in dealing with Russia" Created:11/13/2022 4:55 am By: Anna-Katharina Ahnefeld Germany's reputation in the world has suffered greatly since the Ukraine war. Finland's anger at Berlin is new: "How slowly are you learning to read Russia"? Helsinki/Brussels/Cologne – A cartoon recently circulated in Finland. Two men are sitting in a bathtub filled with oil, the liquid is foaming between them, one of them is leaning calmly on the edge of the pool, the other is anxiously holding his hands up. The first is the Russian ruler Vladimir Putin, the second Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD). The caricature reveals something about the seething in Finland in view of Germany's Russia policy. Finland is furious with Germany, furious with the traffic light government for its reluctance to deliver arms to Ukraine, furious with Germany's energy dependence on Russia. Minna Ålander, political scientist at the renowned think tank Finnish Institute of International Affairs in Helsinki, is also upset in an interview with IPPEN.MEDIA 's Frankfurter Rundschau . Until recently, Ålander lived in Germany, where he worked for the Politics and Science Foundation. She has only been back in Finland for a few months. She says: "Germany is not even aware of how much its own role in the EU has changed." Germany in the Ukraine war: Finland is appalled by German security policy Russia's war in Ukraine is a turning point - that's nothing new. Nor that the perception of Germany has suffered greatly in the international community despite the promise of a "turning point in time". But that Finland is also angry about Berlin - that's what it is. With its five and a half million inhabitants, the Nordic country has fewer inhabitants than Hesse, but is one of the strongest military powers in Europe. Also because Helsinki has never forgotten the danger posed by the former Soviet Union . Politics in Finland is therefore security policy. And that's the crux of the matter. The fact that Germany has primarily pursued economic goals in its foreign policy in recent decades, such as Nord Stream 2, is incomprehensible to the Finns. To make matters worse, the Federal Republic has actually been regarded as the closest and like-minded partner in the European Union. Those times seem over: “In Finland, the perception of Germany has changed significantly this year. Germany is still considered the most important partner within the EU, but the extent of German policy mistakes in the Merkel era, especially in energy policy, has clearly come to light - with serious consequences for all of Europe," says Ålander. That Germany is so dependent on Russia for its energy policyhas embarked, Finland belches badly. The Finnish MEP Petri Sarvamaa (EPP) underlines this as well. In an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau by IPPEN.MEDIA, he too was dismayed at the German understanding of Russia. He asks: "How slowly is Germany learning to read Russia?" He cites the Kremlin 's nuclear threats as an example . According to the Finn, he has no idea how the Federal Republic can jump over every little stick that Russia holds out to them. The threats are nothing more than a "bluff", the last remnants of Vladimir PutinStrategy. Sarvamaa: “We need to wake up and realize that these guys never say what they mean and they never mean what they say. That is the basic rule for understanding Russia, which Germany completely misunderstood.” Germany in the Russia-Ukraine war: allegations from Helsinki to Berlin – Baerbock makes promises Speaking of waking up. On the day the Russian invasion war broke out in Ukraine, Annalena Baerbock said a remarkable sentence: "We woke up in a different world." The Greens meant a world in which war is raging again in Europe. But it quickly became apparent that it is also a world in which Germany's credibility suffers greatly. The German reaction to the Ukraine war is too slow, too little and too defensive , is the accusation that echoes through Eastern Europe in particular. “We will convince the rest of Europe that we will do what is necessary to defend Ukraine.” Federal Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock (Greens) Germany is too unprepared, says Minna Ålander. “A shocking realization here in Finland was the state of the Bundeswehr. This complete unpreparedness for potential risks and crises in Germany is incomprehensible from a Finnish point of view,” said the expert on Nordic and German security policy. All the risks of German energy policy materialized in the most brutal way. Well aware of the damage Germany's image has suffered, Foreign Minister Baerbock promised during her trip to Warsaw in October: "We will convince the rest of Europe that we will do what is necessary to defend Ukraine", with reference to the delivery of the cheetah tanks. Not only said cartoon recently circulated in Finland, but also a video recording of the Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin. A reporter asks the prime minister about a way out of the Ukraine war. The 36-year-old pauses briefly and then replies: "The way out of the conflict is for Russia to leave Ukraine. This is the way out of the conflict,” said the Finn. As she leaves, you can hear her laughing, the question seems so superfluous to her. It is such a matter of course that the Finns obviously miss in Germany.

03-17-23, 11:53 AM	#71
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Beep boop Both Turkey and Hungary have indicated they are now willing to ratify Finland's NATO membership. President Niinistö is in Turkey atm. The original plan of Finland and Sweden joining together has been abandoned and it seems Finland is going in alone. That I am fine with.

03-17-23, 03:10 PM	#74
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,605 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	If need be, Nato will simply act as if Sweden were nato member. Cooperation and adjustment of procedures since years run already as if Sweden already were member. Turkey only delays a formality, and this at quite a cost for itself. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-17-23, 03:56 PM	#75
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Glad to hear it. Good enough for now i'd say. It's not like Sweden shares a land border with Russia. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.