no more pullups for female US marines

[MH]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

No, it is not clear. As a former drill instructor, I completely disagree.

Every soldier has to pull through the same crap. Can't make it? Bummer, get back to your ki... last job then!

All soldiers would pull through same crap but the physical load pace , at least at the beginning might need to be a bit slower.
Things could still be nasty enough.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

No, it is not clear. As a former drill instructor, I completely disagree.

Naturally, but were not talkin' GOOSESTEPPIN' with the pack here!

[nikimcbee]

Well that's good to hear. About time.

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

No, it is not clear. As a former drill instructor, I completely disagree.

Every soldier has to pull through the same crap. Can't make it? Bummer, get back to your ki... last job then!

Ah, Beast Master!

I wouldn't have a problem with GI Jane in my foxhole. I had female drills in A school and I wouldn't sell them short, especially when they can murder you during morning PT. Same for the girls in the company.
As for the Marines, I think that duty should be mostly all male. Females welcome if they can meet the same standards. Any exception puts people at risk.

[Armistead]

Who wouldn't mind a female marine in your foxhole during war, far away from home, impending death possible.......if you and a male marine finally ran out of bullets, not much you can do, a female in the hole, least you can pass the time until you're captured.

[TarJak]

I dunno. The kind of lass likely to want to be a Marine is likely to not be interested.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by TarJak

I dunno. The kind of lass likely to want to be a Marine is likely to not be interested.

But they could always play a game of basketball.

[MH]

lol actuallly there seem a lot of worse stuff going on in the army as it seems.
Something that only uber rich military can afford to do?
So what do you tough guys have to say about this , not everyone goes through the same crap in US marines after all.?

Before arriving at recruit training, all prospective recruits undergo a physical examination by a doctor at a Military Entrance Processing Station. Recruits receive their initial weigh-in during the forming phase.[3] If the recruit is under or over the height and weight standards,[4][5][6] the recruit is placed on double rations if underweight or in a "diet" status if overweight. Recruits on double rations, or "double rat recruits", are given twice the usual amount of food. Conversely, diet recruits are put on a strict diet composed of fewer calories and lower-fat foods such as baked fish and rice.
All recruits receive three meals a day (also known as "chow time"), except during the Crucible. These are either served at the mess facility while in garrison, a boxed A-ration when traveling to a mess facility is not practical, or a Meal, Ready-to-Eat during field training. Meal time can last 30 minutes or less, depending on how quickly the platoon gets in line at the chow hall. Recruits are mandated a minimum of 20 minutes to consume each meal though more often than not they do not take anywhere close to that amount of time, often they only need 10 to 15 minutes.
In some cases, recruits may fail to meet certain physical fitness standards or may inadvertently suffer an injury which prevents them from continuing training. These two types of recruits are moved from their initial training platoon and company to the Special Training Company (STC), which retains a disciplined, "boot camp" style environment while being oriented to the improvement of the individual recruit's physical and mental ability to train. The Special Training Company is divided into three platoons. While platoons in normal U.S. military parlance denote a group of around 40–70 personnel, each STC platoon is as large as necessity dictates and may often contain 500 or more recruits along with their assigned drill instructors and other personnel.[7]
Recruits who fail the initial fitness test, as well as those who fail to perform adequately later in training, are dropped to the Physical Conditioning Platoon (PCP) at STC, informally known as the "Pork Chop Platoon" or "Donut Brigade". Recruits in PCP are engaged in a vigorous regimen of physical exercise to prepare them for reentry into training. Recruits who are injured, on the other hand, become part of the Medical Rehabilitation Platoon (MRP), in which they are closely monitored and treated by naval medical personnel while receiving implicit instruction about the Marine Corps and performing whatever small tasks, such as cleaning, they may be capable of. In some cases, it may be necessary for a recruit who has recovered from illness or injury in MRP may need to be moved to PCP to regain an appropriate level of physical fitness and avoid further injury or illness before they eventually rejoin a training platoon.
Finally, there is the Evaluative Holding Platoon (EHP). This is a generalized platoon that encompasses all recruits who, for any reason, are unable to continue with their training platoon and are being evaluated for possible discharge. This platoon may include recruits who have failed to adapt to the conditions of the Marine Corps' boot camp or have refused to continue training. Any recruit in Special Training Company is carefully assessed for physical, mental, and moral fitness, and when he or she is considered to be prepared to resume training, will generally be placed with a platoon at the last training level the recruit had completed.
Medical care is provided by the Naval medical personnel: doctors and corpsmen.]

[Wolferz]

@ MH,
You forgot the guys in CCF. Criminal Confinement Facility, where the bad boys and girls go to be hauled around in a CUCV and forced to run from CUCV to sidewalk while holding up ID card and chanting CCF! CCF!

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by MH

lol actuallly there seem a lot of worse stuff going on in the army as it seems.
Something that only uber rich military can afford to do?
So what do you tough guys have to say about this , not everyone goes through the same crap in US marines after all.?

I mentioned that already post #19 4th paragraph not in some much detail though.Of course in the end they do go through the same training because once they leave the "doughnut platoon" they go right back to the point that they washed out from in regular basic it even says so at the end of what you quoted.

Also I am fairly certain that many armed forces have similar practices.It would not be cost effective to get rid of anyone who has the capacity to complete the training.Not sure what makes you think the US military is uber rich we have extremely tight budgets.Half the time the chow hall ran out of funds for the month you could always tell because they would get very creative at creating left overs Tuesdays Spaghetti would become a weirdo casserole lasagna combo for the rest of the week.Sometimes in units we ran out of money for new parts when this happened we had to sneak into another shop and try to "borrow" what we needed or rig something.

Most of that money goes to Lockeed-Martin,Boeing,Gruman and numerous other contractors.We used to joke about the whole $6,000 dollar bolt thing maybe that is true but in my line of work we actually did have fairly expensive shear bolts that where used in aircraft tow bars the sheer pin for the C-5 tow bar the shear bolt for that assembly(the aircraft not a C5 tow bar which is totally different) costs $10,000 dollars these where fairly large bolts though and they are specially engineered to break a certain way if not well beyond $10,000 in damage would transfer to the landing gear.The joke was maybe they heard the price of a shear bolt and thought it was comparable the typical low cost bolt.Not to say that there are no over priced contracts.

[Wolferz]

I dunno, Stealhead. They might be referring to those gold plated toilet seats on military aircraft. Or at least the ordinary variety that cost as much as a gold plated toilet seat. My guess would be that the overpriced parts are just a cover to earmark money for black ops and projects or line the contractor's pockets. Well, they have to make their bribe money back somehow, eh?

$500.00 hammers and other sundry tools and equipment are not always made by the lowest bidder on the contract.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Who wouldn't mind a female marine in your foxhole during war, far away from home, impending death possible.......if you and a male marine finally ran out of bullets, not much you can do, a female in the hole, least you can pass the time until you're captured.

Yeah, I want my Marines worried about ... protecting little miss can't hump her own sack, than facing and defeating an enemy.

This is not a call of duty game.


Edit...No marine gives up, they won't whimper in a hole, they go out dying. Your whole horny fantasy is moot. Maybe the Chair force can quench your desires. (them guys get laid)

[August]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Yeah, I want my Marines worried about fingerbanging or protecting little miss can't hump her own sack, than facing and defeating an enemy.

You got a point there Soop. The Marine or Soldier busy shtupping his girlfriend in a foxhole is not keeping an eye out for the approach of death.

Battlefields are no place for love.

[Onkel Neal]

Guys, keep it clean, ok?

Man, so much disrespect for women. Can't you discuss this without demeaning half the human race?

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Ah, Beast Master!

I wouldn't have a problem with GI Jane in my foxhole. I had female drills in A school and I wouldn't sell them short, especially when they can murder you during morning PT. Same for the girls in the company.
As for the Marines, I think that duty should be mostly all male. Females welcome if they can meet the same standards. Any exception puts people at risk.

See, this is a good argument.

Originally Posted by Armistead

Who wouldn't mind a female marine in your foxhole during war, far away from home, impending death possible.......if you and a male marine finally ran out of bullets, not much you can do, a female in the hole, least you can pass the time until you're captured.

This is a little risque, but still in fairly good taste...

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Yeah, I want my Marines worried about ...**************** protecting little miss can't hump her own sack, than facing and defeating an enemy.

This is not a call of duty game.

Uh, whoa.

[soopaman2]

Not demeaning anyone, but if you cannot pull your own weight then sit in the rear with the gear.

I also fear the reactions of scared teenagers low 20s... in a hole, worried more about a toss, than meeting and killing an enemy.


Do you know the average age of infantry? Do you remember how you were at that age?

If the girl can pass, then let her in, but most cannot. Even before pullup restrictions were removed, women had to do vastly less in the PT tests.


My reaction to this issue is not Mysogyny, but Biology.
Men are more suited for physical things, sorry. It is what it is. I am not a woman hater. I just want the integrity of our forces uncompromised.

Pass the goddamn physical restrictions or STFU.

Every Marine is a riflemen, unless your a chick, and cannot lug her own sack, and got pushed through to satisfy political correctness.

Yeah, way to up combat efficiency.