Ready to admit your were wrong?

Ronald Wilson Reagan had no questionable ties or allegiance for enemy.

Bloody hell, are you for real?
Throughout his political career Reagan held some of the most questionable ties humanly possible which created decades of damage on the US, and as President actively aided your enemies.
Successive presidents have spent countless billions and many thousands of lives dealing with the terrible legacy of Reagans allegiances.

[Jimbuna]

Bubblehead1980

Your repeated name calling and slurs toward the POTUS are not necessary. You have made your opinions known time and time again, so often in fact that they could possibly be interpreted as hate speech and racial name calling.

I know this sort of behaviour and content is not what Neal, myself or other moderators care to see and judging by the number of post reports more than a fair few members of the community.

I'm hopeful you can debate and argue your points without repeatedly resorting to the above mentioned in the future.

I'm also hopeful you will take my advice in the friendly manner it is intended.

[mookiemookie]

Just ban him already. How many warnings and futile requests to change their behavior does someone get?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by vienna

This just in:


"I'm sorry I created the whole thing, sincerely, sincerely, sorry...

...and you guys on on your own now...

Again, sorry...

GOD"


<O>

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Just ban him already. How many warnings and futile requests to change their behavior does someone get?

More than I'd give, which is why I'm not a moderator.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I will have to do some research on Reagan's planned indefinite detention, I know one thing, no evidence he ever did nor did he sign any law like the NDAA permitting him too, I will discuss this further once have had a chance to look into it.

No, he didn't sign anything, because it wasn't passed. I'm not sure that it was even proposed, but the evidence is there that it was discussed and that he agreed with it.

The PATRIOT Act is an awful thing and I have railed against this many times

Where? On these boards? The only time I can remember you addressing it is when somebody else shoved it in your face.

Bush was more an unwitting accomplice in this than anything and not intelligent enough to see his neocon advisers pushing him in the wrong direction.Bush, like many, overreacted and now we have to live in a police state for it.

That I will agree with.

apparently before you see the danger he has to start killing more people or get us in a war we can't really win when the signs are already there.

The problem isn't seeing the danger, it's what you can actually do about it. You accuse him of violating the Constitution, yet you don't say what can be done without violating the Constitution. Exactly what do you think should be done at this point?

Steve, you and I just have different styles.

It's not about style, it's about presenting an actual argument rather than shout to everybody that you're right and they're wrong.

I am confrontational and yes I have no problem telling someone they lack a certain amount of intellect

I guess you don't actually read anything on this forum except as it relates to what you post. If you had would would have noticed long ago that I can be extremely confrontational. That said, I do try to stay within the bounds of actual discussion and debate. That is what a "certain amount of intellect" entails. It's funny that you should say that, because when others say you lack the same you accuse them of personal attacks. Is it okay for you to point that out and others not? I'm sorry, but your "style" lacks just about everything required for any kind of reasonable discussion, and shows no real reason at all, just vitriol against someone you don't like.

if they honestly follow and believe a religion or a set political/economic beliefs that have never, ever worked.

No. You can argue against said beliefs, but simply calling them stupid is the lazy man's way out. It could be argued that the economic beliefs have never worked because the opposition to them prevented that from happening. As for religion, you don't know that any particular belief is wrong, and just saying it's so doesn't make it so.

Someone believes in a political figure that is such an overt threat to the liberties of the people, then yes they are an idiot, esp when they ignore the proof.

You've read his books. You've formed conclusions. That's okay as far as it goes, but it does not constitute proof. You're just like the Truthers in that. You insist that there is evidence, but it's only evidence to you because you already believe it.

Seems you are very old school and that is fine, it's a natural clash.

If "old school" means believing in reason and logic, then it's a major clash, because those are two things all your "arguments" are sorely lacking.

I do know I am right

No, you don't. You believe it with all your heart and soul, and never question your own rightness. This makes you exactly like a religious fanatic preaching your version of the absolute truth. But you don't know for certain, and claiming you do only exposes the same lack of intellect you accuse others of showing.

this is not a religious argument

Sure it is. You just can't see it, because you're a believer.

the evidence of the clear and present danger that obama poses is there and has been for a long time

Assume that's true. What do you think we should do about it?

many are waking up or already have but some like you are still stuck on being "fair" and "tolerant" while disguising it in alleged "logic"

Better than being a fanatic and disguising it as "intellect". If that sounds like an insult, remember that you started it.

it's nothing more than refusing to admit we have someone who is an actual threat to this country holding power.Obama is more of threat than any terrorist or other nation right now.

And that has been said by the opposition to just about every president we've had. Of course this time it's different. This time it's true. That's what they said as well.

Again, assuming for the moment it is true, what do you think should be done?

I honestly do hope I am wrong

You keep saying that, but of course you're right so you don't really hope you're wrong. You enjoy being right, and wouldn't change that for the world.

I have no problem letting someone know when I am right and they were wrong.

As I've said before, if you know everything then you have no room to learn anything. And you haven't yet.

There is nothing more satisfying than trying to tell someone about things, but they are too ignorant to listen then only to be proven correct but in this case I would love to be wrong.

So did you ever admit you were wrong about your copypasta 'Lay Off Obama' thread? Pretty much everything you claimed there was wrong. Of course it wasn't your fault since you were just quoting someone else. Did you ever admit you were wrong about the whole FEMA thing?

I don't hold out much hope for this one either. Or that you'll ever figure out that you are your own worst enemy.

[Subnuts]

But, true courage is knowing you're wrong but refusing to admit it.

[Oberon]

The oppressive Obama regime spreads its shadowy tentacles to Australia:

[u crank]

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Just ban him already. How many warnings and futile requests to change their behavior does someone get?

Off with their heads.......

Anyway, don't ban Bubble until I get my PC fixed and we get our mod finished.

If Bubble gets banned, you'll lose me as a member as well..

wait, hmmm, maybe not, too many of you would view that as a win win.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Just ban him already. How many warnings and futile requests to change their behavior does someone get?

Three in months with 30 days, 4 in months with 31 days.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

No, it is entirely unfair. Credit score does not take into account things that happen out of control then it affects people's ability to get things(certain jobs included) they NEED...... Honestly, it is "the man's" way to keep a lot of people down because they wont or cant at a moment in time, play by his rules.Also, without know this guy you suggested he is sloppy and undisciplined because of his credit? See allows for a lot of prejudgements, it's an unfair process.

I mean how ridiculous is it you credit score takes a hit if someone runs a credit check when you apply for things? That is the most ridiculous crap ever, it punishes someone for trying to get things.The system is outdated, unfair and needs to be abolished and at the least, a major consumer oriented overhaul.

Careful, you are sure beginning to sound like an entitlement class liberal.

[desertstriker]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I honestly do hope I am wrong about his plans for a third term.Yes, I have no problem letting someone know when I am right and they were wrong.There is nothing more satisfying than trying to tell someone about things, but they are too ignorant to listen then only to be proven correct but in this case I would love to be wrong.

Your ignorance of the constitution really shows. Obama can not get a third term because of the 22nd amendment passed after FDR. that would have to be readmended to allow a 3rd term or more which would be extremely difficult.

[Tchocky]

Didn't you see what happened in the IRS and Benghazi?

The clues for a third term are all there, you just don't want to see them because people will call you a racist.

[razark]

Originally Posted by desertstriker

Your ignorance of the constitution really shows. Obama can not get a third term because of the 22nd amendment passed after FDR. that would have to be readmended to allow a 3rd term or more which would be extremely difficult.

But he's going to use his secret army (from the health care law) to take over the US, supported by the DHS (using all the ammunition they bought) to take out the American people, who won't have any guns (because Obama is going to forcibly confiscate all of them), and those who do have guns won't have any ammo (because, again, DHS).

[desertstriker]

my responce to those who really think a 3rd term is possiblle
the 22ND amendment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-...s_Constitution

and how an amendment would have to be done
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article...s_Constitution

so as you can see it is ny impossible for a third term or more.

now i might have to add a reminder on a calendar to start a tread LIKE this one in when in 2016 :P
Razark I really hope you are being sarcastic.