Creationist Explains How Humans Could Have Hunted The Tyrannosaurus Rex

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Dowly

@WernherVonTrapp

People just simply pointed out that the documentary shouldnt be taken very seriously. Perhaps not in the most kindest manner possible, but I dont see anything
to be so upset about.

Believe me when I say I'm not, nor wasn't upset. Rather, I was quite fascinated by the passion in the responses.
Trust me, I have no fear of debate, and heated ones at that. I've been grilled by attorneys, judges, the public and politicians, but they never poked fun of, or ridiculed me in the process. Well, maybe some defense attorneys.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by August

That's because it's not about anything you hold dear to you. It's easier to excuse rudeness when it's directed toward someone else, especially if to some degree you share the criticisms that drive it.

I'm sorry, I don't understand your reply. Was I rude, or did I make fun of something that someone holds dear? Is that what you're trying to say?
If I was rude or crass, I would expect to get back what I dished out.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

I'm sorry, I don't understand your reply. Was I rude, or did I make fun of something that someone holds dear? Is that what you're trying to say?
If I was rude or crass, I would expect to get back what I dished out.

No, just the opposite, he's pleading your cause.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

No, just the opposite, he's pleading your cause.

Oh, well, I never said I was the sharpest tool in the shed. My apologies.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

I won't treat them contemptuously because they choose to believe something different.

And therein you have the issue. Some here do exactly that - take every opportunity to treat others with contempt simply because they have a different (or simply lack of) belief.

Why else would it be deemed "worthy of discussion" to post a personal opinion by someone from some outside source that probably none of us know or have even met? Of course, that one person then is treated as if they somehow speak for every person who believes in creationism, since all creationists should have rocks dropped onto their head until they are dead.

Seriously people - put it this way: If the Subsim forum was your creation, your baby - would you want someone new coming in and the start of this thread being the first representation of the forums they see? If that was the case - what message would most people take from it about this place we all enjoy?

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Ok, here's the deal. I'll apologise for mocking creationists when they stop insulting the intelligence of the rest of us with their nonsensical arguments.

No creationist forced this topic - someone who disagreed did - yet the evil creationists are to blame. One person's opinion - and we have an admission that its "creationists" - plural - that get mocked.

Is that a message you want to promote for this site? Its not one I think that represents this site well. Think about that the next time you decide its ok to blast others for a personal belief.

I will quote Sailor Steve, because he nailed why this was such a waste and really bad representation of what this site and forum are supposed to be about....

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I was speaking directly to people who have nothing more to add than "These people are all morons!" That kind of post serves no purpose at all.

If someone is making these claims here, fine. Show them they're wrong and why. Just saying "You're an ignoramus!" serves no purpose at all, especially when the claim wasn't even made here, but imported from another website.

Simply put, we should treat each other with a little more respect (see the FAQ/RULES if you have issues with that) and not intentionally bait/insult others for the fun of it. We all want this place to be a harbor in the storms of life, so lets treat it like one, instead of trying to create a typhoon in the lagoon....

Believe me when I say I'm not, nor wasn't upset. Rather, I was quite fascinated by the passion in the responses.

Which responses?
There is one response that strikes me as coloured by passion, and that is by someone agreeing with you(though they havn't even seen the movie).

Links or it ain't true.
Just your opinion for now.

I have it on good source Santa was a Saint.
Until he crossed into Enemy Air Space anyway.
Damned Drones!

Here is a link verifying the information

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=203495

So it is now undeniably true

[Mork_417]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Nice.

[Penguin]

It's not like the OP drove to Mastropaolo's house, took a picture of the man and posted it here with the headline "Look at that moron!"
This guy went to the public to talk about his ideas, so it is legitimate to discuss those in public, be it approval, disproval and everything in between. Yes: Mockery is also freedom of speech.

Instead of complaining how people paint a group with a wide brush (never happened in GT before ), the Creationist folks could just have posted some links which show Mastropaolo does not belong to this group and how the real Creationists tick. (Btw: who is the authority to decide who belongs into this group?)
When I see someone claiming dinosaurs and the homo sapiens co-existed, I label them Creationist, I'm not terribly interested in the fine nuances, it's all the same belief to me.
Same if someone rants about genetic inferiority of races, I'm not particular interested if they call themselves (skin color) power, segregationists, dawinists, etc. It's fair to lump them all together, when their core belief is the same and absurd, read: everything pointing in the direction that it is wrong.

And a statement like this:

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

While this does make him qualified to discuss in some ways to discuss the possibility of evolution, it does not qualify him as a theologian.

is nonsense.
Again: who in Allah's name is the authority to decide who is qualified to discuss faith?. Freedom of belief much?
Is someone not a Christian who can't cite more than 20 Bible verses? Should us here on this board refrain from discussing tactics in SH3, because none of us is actually a Kaleun?

It's not like the OP drove to Mastropaolo's house, took a picture of the man and posted it here with the headline "Look at that moron!"
This guy went to the public to talk about his ideas, so it is legitimate to discuss those in public, be it approval, disproval and everything in between. Yes: Mockery is also freedom of speech.

If you look at it the OP is no different from someone posting an opinion piece by Wade Churchill or Glenn Beck and saying "look at what these people "think"".
The only people who would be actually offended are those that share the views being expressed, so if they want to try and defend those views go ahead.

I think the real problem some have towards the issue is the complete ease with which creationism can be taken apart using only the "evidence" they use to support their position.
That ease is what makes them so passionate about "attacks" on their views and so eager to go into outrage mode.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by privateer

I saw a bunch of Guys on TV that say Aliens did it!
TV is like the 'Net, Right?
They can't show anything that ain't true.
Right?

I can assure you that everything you see on tv is a 100% reflection of reality (*). Nothing is cut, altered or edited.



I also never inhaled or had sex with this woman.



(*) unrelated grammar question: would it be "reality" or "the reality" in this sentence?

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If you look at it the OP is no different from someone posting an opinion piece by Wade Churchill or Glenn Beck and saying "look at what these people "think"".
The only people who would be actually offended are those that share the views being expressed, so if they want to try and defend those views go ahead.

I think the real problem some have towards the issue is the complete ease with which creationism can be taken apart using only the "evidence" they use to support their position.
That ease is what makes them so passionate about "attacks" on their views and so eager to go into outrage mode.

I agree, we have the expression here:"Getroffene Hunde bellen" - "Struck dogs bark", our way of saying "if the shoe fits..."

For some weird reasons, Germans love dog proverbs, my favorite being "This makes the dog in the frying pan become mad!" - in plain English it's just: "Gosh!"

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by Penguin

(*) unrelated grammar question: would it be "reality" or "the reality" in this sentence?

there is no the reality, because you can not count realities.
in conclusion there is an uncountable number of realities

[Skybird]

A miracle! A miracle!

http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/04/05/...sign-from-god/

[mookiemookie]

Guys that peddle this kind of belief and call it "science" are dangerous. It goes farther than handwringing and saying "ohh, this poor guy is having his personal belief mocked."

American students consistently lag behind those from other countries in science and math. We don't need the willfully ignorant like this guy pushing their agenda into American classrooms. Creationism has no place in a science class.