Hillary Clinton takes responsibility for Libya US deaths - Page 5

tater · 10-19-12, 09:50 AM

The only security (reasonable security you could expect for a consular office) likely would have not helped as far as I can tell. The real issue is why did the administration lie about the attack for many days. They said right away they'd increase security at other embassies, but within a few days, a black flag (AQ?) was flying over 1 or 2 US facilities in the ME as I recall (over a burning US flag in one picture I saw). Clearly the post-Benghazi increased security, to borrow from the President was "not optimal."

Obama did NOT say Benghazi was a terrorist attack on the day after in the Rose Garden, that was a general statement in context. His administration then went on all the Sunday programs, and many other appearances and said the attack came out of demonstrations against the ridiculous youtube vid. This was reported as a coordinated, terrorist attack within 24 hours by the CIA station chief in Libya. It was known from the start there was NO demonstration in Libya at all regarding the vid.

This continual lying makes so little sense. Attacks by AQ or allies of AQ are not that atypical in Afghanistan, and take US lives. Perhaps they don't want the picture of the "arab spring" to be one of islamists rising right before the election?

Regardless of party, americans in my experience prefer plain talk, and honest answers, even if a "we screwed up." Obama would have been better to play it that way, IMHO.

AVGWarhawk · 10-19-12, 10:32 AM

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This continual lying makes so little sense.

It made sense to his campaign managers.

tater · 10-19-12, 02:14 PM

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It made sense to his campaign managers.

His relying on moderator defense (inaccurate as it was) is gonna bite him Monday.

nikimcbee · 10-19-12, 02:36 PM

Well, time to send Bill in. He'll fix it.

August · 10-19-12, 03:29 PM

So a few days have passed since Hillary's declaration of responsibility but still nothing. No punishment, no censure, not even the optimal adjustment Obama talked about. No consequences at all for a government screwup that got 4 people killed.

Obama lied and people died.

tater · 10-19-12, 03:40 PM

The lying happened after the dying.

I think the underlying reason for the continued lying is that this is the logical endpoint of his policy towards the muslim world as set forth in his Cairo speech. Apologize. That's the policy. His embassy in Cairo did the same regarding the video. They preemptively apologized for freedom of expression. Obama went to the UN and actually said the future should't belong to people who insult islam. The future should belong to exactly the people who would insult idiotic sets of beliefs held true without evidence. In a world of WMD our future in fact depends on marginalizing those types of people, regardless of religion, but these days particularly islam should be singled out for abuse as it deserves such abuse.

AVGWarhawk · 10-19-12, 06:35 PM

It was an attempt to cover up a very bad situation on his watch during a critical time in his re-election bid. Nothing more. It is plain to see as Hillary took the fall.

August · 10-19-12, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It was an attempt to cover up a very bad situation on his watch during a critical time in his re-election bid. Nothing more. It is plain to see as Hillary took the fall.

Well the coverup might be understandable depending on ones politics but to allow such a no brainer situation to occur speaks very critically of the administrations competence in this area.

10-19-12, 09:50 AM	#61
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The only security (reasonable security you could expect for a consular office) likely would have not helped as far as I can tell. The real issue is why did the administration lie about the attack for many days. They said right away they'd increase security at other embassies, but within a few days, a black flag (AQ?) was flying over 1 or 2 US facilities in the ME as I recall (over a burning US flag in one picture I saw). Clearly the post-Benghazi increased security, to borrow from the President was "not optimal." Obama did NOT say Benghazi was a terrorist attack on the day after in the Rose Garden, that was a general statement in context. His administration then went on all the Sunday programs, and many other appearances and said the attack came out of demonstrations against the ridiculous youtube vid. This was reported as a coordinated, terrorist attack within 24 hours by the CIA station chief in Libya. It was known from the start there was NO demonstration in Libya at all regarding the vid. This continual lying makes so little sense. Attacks by AQ or allies of AQ are not that atypical in Afghanistan, and take US lives. Perhaps they don't want the picture of the "arab spring" to be one of islamists rising right before the election? Regardless of party, americans in my experience prefer plain talk, and honest answers, even if a "we screwed up." Obama would have been better to play it that way, IMHO. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine Last edited by tater; 10-19-12 at 11:22 AM.

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Well, time to send Bill in. He'll fix it. __________________

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,204 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So a few days have passed since Hillary's declaration of responsibility but still nothing. No punishment, no censure, not even the optimal adjustment Obama talked about. No consequences at all for a government screwup that got 4 people killed. Obama lied and people died. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

10-19-12, 03:40 PM	#66
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The lying happened after the dying. I think the underlying reason for the continued lying is that this is the logical endpoint of his policy towards the muslim world as set forth in his Cairo speech. Apologize. That's the policy. His embassy in Cairo did the same regarding the video. They preemptively apologized for freedom of expression. Obama went to the UN and actually said the future should't belong to people who insult islam. The future should belong to exactly the people who would insult idiotic sets of beliefs held true without evidence. In a world of WMD our future in fact depends on marginalizing those types of people, regardless of religion, but these days particularly islam should be singled out for abuse as it deserves such abuse. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

10-19-12, 06:35 PM	#67
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,262 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	It was an attempt to cover up a very bad situation on his watch during a critical time in his re-election bid. Nothing more. It is plain to see as Hillary took the fall.