Greetings from RNC

[Bubblehead1980]

Anyone else in Tampa this week for the convention? Today was great Reallycould feel the "energy" on the floor tonight.Paay attention and help us kick the trash out in November

[August]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Anyone else in Tampa this week for the convention? Today was great Reallycould feel the "energy" on the floor tonight.Paay attention and help us kick the trash out in November

I'm sorry to tell you but your parties planks on abortion and medicare have sunk your candidate. No way will Americans vote for a candidate who is going to ban abortions with no exceptions. No way will Americans support a voucher based medicare system.

I'm a pretty conservative guy but while I may not be able to bring myself to vote for Democrat Bolshevik wannabees I'm not giving Romney the nod either.

[Hottentot]

I love the tone of this thread.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

I love the tone of this thread.

I don't know how else you expected it to be.

GT+Politics=

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I don't know how else you expected it to be.

Something with little more original name calling.

[antikristuseke]

People at the extreme ends of the political spectrum wouldn't recognize an original idea if it was hurled at their face with a brick attached to it.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by August

I'm sorry to tell you but your parties planks on abortion and medicare have sunk your candidate. No way will Americans vote for a candidate who is going to ban abortions with no exceptions. No way will Americans support a voucher based medicare system.

I'm a pretty conservative guy but while I may not be able to bring myself to vote for Democrat Bolshevik wannabees I'm not giving Romney the nod either.

OMG! August is moving to the Dark side!

[Penguin]

Sounds like an energetic evening, including:

feeding a starving camerawoman from CNN
and showing a clear stance against tyrants

but hey, at least you get the uncensored version of Mitt's book

Mitt Romney book includes deleted line
TAMPA — Maybe Mitt Romney assumes GOP delegates won’t read all the way to page 177 of his book, ‘‘No Apology,’’ included in their gift bags.
If they do, they’ll find an uncomfortable sentence for Romney — a sentence dropped from the paperback edition. It alludes to his push, as Massachusetts governor, to require all residents to obtain insurance as part of health care reforms.
‘‘We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country, and it can be done without letting government take over health care,’’ Romney wrote.
That sounds a lot like the health care mandate in ‘‘Obama*care,’’ which Romney now vows to undo.
In the paperback edition, the passage refers only to preventing a government takeover of health care.
Publications including the Washington Examiner took note of the hardback’s presence.

(source: http://bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2...mtL/story.html)

Originally Posted by August

I'm sorry to tell you but your parties planks on abortion and medicare have sunk your candidate. No way will Americans vote for a candidate who is going to ban abortions with no exceptions. No way will Americans support a voucher based medicare system.

I'm a pretty conservative guy but while I may not be able to bring myself to vote for Democrat Bolshevik wannabees I'm not giving Romney the nod either.

I don't care much for the Dems, but trying to force the delegates onto the party line, like they did with the rule change at the RNC, looks pretty much like the Bolsheviks did back then: "No vote for you, Menshevik scum!"

A side-question: Can you tell a little about Romneycare in your state? Has it been an improvement for you and others in your state, an how about the costs in comparision to before?

[August]

Originally Posted by Penguin

A side-question: Can you tell a little about Romneycare in your state? Has it been an improvement for you and others in your state, an how about the costs in comparision to before?

It's not really an improvement at least to anyone who has to pay for it.

While coverage has increased significantly the quality of health care has remained unchanged and in spite of being billed as an antidote to run away health care costs, the price of insurance premiums have jumped 5-10% every year since Romneycare was enacted, way above the national inflation rate.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by August

I'm sorry to tell you but your parties planks on abortion and medicare have sunk your candidate. No way will Americans vote for a candidate who is going to ban abortions with no exceptions. No way will Americans support a voucher based medicare system.

2 points August....

First - Romney supports the three major abortion exceptions. Even the rather left leaning Huffington Post admits it - though they use it as an attempt to discredit Mitt for "flip-flopping" on the issue. For him to - even as recently as Monday - to clearly state that he supports exceptions - contrary to the party platform - makes you realize that his leadership will not be as extreme as some on the left claim. It takes one kind of courage to take a stand - it takes another to buck your own support structure - which he has done. Think about that before you "write him off"....

As for Medicare - I would have hoped that you would have taken the time to research things a little more than just accepting talking points. The Medicare plan that is supported by Romney will not make Medicare a "voucher system" - it guarantees standard Medicare for anyone 55 or over, and it allows those under 55 to have the choice of either standard Medicare OR different coverage through private enterprise. To call that a "voucher system" is simply a way for the left to demagogue it.

My mother has medicare. She took the time to look into it. She sees the likely changes as something that insures it survives. She doesn't think its perfect - there are concerns. Yet she realizes that some changes are necessary. Still - she is like a lot of older folks - they know that Obamacare took money out of Medicare - and they got nothing for it. Thinking that the older generations are blindly following this line of "Romney/Ryan want to kill old people by taking away Medicare" is simply incorrect.

Take the time to look into the reality of the subjects before you judge them. Don't fall for one side's talking points - check the facts instead.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Take the time to look into the reality of the subjects before you judge them. Don't fall for one side's talking points - check the facts instead.

Strange advice when you've just done the exact same thing in this post, and many others.

In fact, the law limits payments to health care providers and insurers to try to reduce the rapid growth of future Medicare spending. Lawmakers said they hoped the measures would improve care and efficiency. Those savings, spread out over the next 10 years, are then used to offset costs created by the law (especially coverage for the uninsured) so that the overall law doesn't add to the deficit. Ryan***8217;s statement is exaggerated and we rate it Mostly False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ed-716-billio/

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Strange advice when you've just done the exact same thing in this post, and many others.

Except that the Presidents plan to limit payments to insurers isn't going to bring the cost of health care down at all. It just means that the patient will get a separate bill for the extra cost, and raising taxes on the medical industry only means those costs will increase significantly as they are passed on to the consumer.

Either way the cost to seniors goes up significantly under Obamacare.

[CaptainHaplo]

Mookie - I much prefer to actually read the source of the controversy instead of the interpretation of others.

Try reading the actual CBO document about what would happen if Obamacare was repealed:

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...471-hr6079.pdf

I will quote the relevant section that exists on page 13:

"Spending for Medicare would increase by an estimated $716 billionover that 2013-2022 period."

If there was no Obamacare - this money would be spent on our Seniors. Because of Obamacare - it will not. That makes Obamacare the reason this money will not be there for the elderly. Who will absorb that cost then? Simple - the Seniors who rely on Medicare....

Don't believe its a cut to Medicare? The President says it is - and says he would veto any attempt to put that money back into Medicare. He admitted that he is more concerned making Obamacare "budget neutral" (which it is not) over keeping the funds in Medicare.



So mookie - and others who want to take a third party twist and spin, go ahead. The guy who did this is asked about the cut - and he answers it regarding the cut. So its a cut to Medicare. The CBO documentation - outside of partisan spin - clearly says that Obamacare means less money for Medicare. Spin all you want - your going to find out in November that people are paying more attention to fact than to spin.

On a side note - we have had another 374k people filing for unemployment this last week. 372k the week prior. We are averaging well over 1.2 Million jobs lost EVERY MONTH - and we are creating less than 200k jobs a month. That isn't anywhere near breaking even.

What are we going to get out of Charlotte? Sandra Fluke talking about how evil it is that team R won't pay for her birth control? The left wants government "out of the bedroom" (which I agree with) - but it wants the government to pay for what goes on in the bedroom. There is no talking about the horrible economy, there is no concern about the national debt, there is only an embrace of abortion on demand (to the point of partial birth and allowing a baby who survives an abortion to outside the womb to be ignored as it sits and dies seperated from the mother), gay marriage and protecting a mandated government health program that the majority of America doesn't want.

http://www.mcclpac.org/about_obama_baipa.htm

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

What are we going to get out of Charlotte?

The same empty circlejerk political crap that we got out of Tampa. A completely made up story with no basis in reality about the last four years - the same as we got from Tampa. Promises to do better - the same baseless mindless crap we got out of Tampa.

Political conventions are masturbatory exercises put on for the benefit of the party themselves, and not for the average voter. Anyone who sheds a tear over them or gets "inspired" by them is a gullible political zombie.