[REL] Hydrophones workaround...

[Rubini]

Last Update Version 2.0
-Fixed the absence of sounds on hydro station for some layers. Brilliant solution found by gap (from Sh5 mod forum)!
(see below some directions and comments)

See also, on the botton, an optional reworked version by Leitender.

From the readme of the mod:

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18/02/2013
New Sh3 Hyprophones layers by Rubini v2.0
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What this mod do?
- it adds three "max distance range" layers for each hydrophone type.

How it works?
- the idea is simple, each hydrophone type have now three hydro sensors, each one work on a determinated depth layer, so, now, you will need to have this behaviour in mind when searching for sound contacts as in real life!

How/what are the layers?
1. from surfaced (in truth -4 to -9, to avoid hydro contact on surface) to -15m: 12.000m
2. from -15 to -25m: 20.000m
3. from -25m to deep: 28000 to 30.000m (different for each hydro type)
==> The overall idea: go deep to have more chance to detect sounds!!

Any problem or limitation that I must know?
- Yes. Please read carefully:

1. All the below are stock SH3 engine behaviours (not a mod flaw):
- the "follow next contact" will only works if the contact is lesser than 25km
- the "report next contact" will always works since you already have made a contact (not limited by the 25km above issue)
- in hydro station the player can always listen until the Sh3 world limit (more or less 35km away), but the AI crew will be always limited by the hydro sensors settings.
- the decay time of a contact can maintain the contact lines and reports by the ai even if the contact is out of the hydro layer sensor buble for some time.

2. mod limitation:
- besides the hydro layers works correctly for Ai crew, it not works for player; as exposed above, the player can always listen contacts from 35km to 0km (stock behaviour), not limited by the layers and depth. Anyhow this not affect the mod on a real game session, you just must know that you always can listen, not limited by the layers depth. So, try to not cheat, or just don´t use this mod.


How to install:
- choose your version (or customize it) and install using JSGME.

Last words:
- I already provided a a bit more reactive and less deaf sonarman. Anyway you can customize it as exposed below.
- From GHG to Balcom, the hydro sensors have a bit more max range and are a bit more sensible too. Now is a very good idea to upgrade your hydrophone.
- Some randomness is always present, so the detection distances will vary randomically with certain conditions. (stock Sh3 behaviour)

Credits:
- TheBeast and Xrundel, the idea and similar mod for Sh5, from where I got the idea.
- gap for the fix for hydro station sound.

Good Hunt!
Rubini.
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Version history:
update 18/02/2013
version 2.0
- Fixed the hydro station without sound for the player in some layers.
Thanks to gap (from Sh5 mod forum) that found the solution.
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update 14/03/2012
Version1.1a
-adjusted the bearing on the first sensorsdata from both balkonGerat, thanks h.sie!
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Update 13/03/2012
Vesion 1.1

- adjusted the MaxSensorHeight for each hydro type to be 2m height to allow detection after 10-11m deep
- if you start to receive hydro detections when surfaced (more probably in bad wheater, big waves) just put them 2m more below again or use version 1.0
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07/03/2012
first realse v1.0
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**Spoiler**

Can I customize this mod?

- Yes, I made it with this idea in mind. Just open the new sensors.cam file with s3d, I make it easy to find each hydro type inside and then you can modify it at your taste.

Here some comments of the SensorsData main parameters that you may want change (the others try to left intact):

MaxHeight= Here you can make /change yours own layers . The last node is for the first layer, it is there to avoid surface hydrophone detection (this may vary accordingly the hydro type).

RPMDetLevel=0,20 this is far the most important factor, for example if a max velocity (note: not RPM in truth) from a ship is 35knots, then any velocity below 0.2x35 will not be detected on hydro (for this ship and so on). This can show how Sh3 engine is broken...a war ship below 7knots is not detectable but a small fishboat at 1.7knot is detectable (0.2x8knots=1.6)!!! Stock bug/design. So, the lesser this value, more things will be listen. Also - when the game detect ships on the boderline of this value, the contact can comes and go, comes and go, and so on.

SweepPeriod=25,0 the time needed to a complete check on that arc. The lowered value, more awake will be the sonarman, more quickly (and then more times) it will check that arc.

ProbInsideArc=0,95 the probability of detection inside that arc, for each pass. The major, more probability to detect.

So, with the above, is easy to see how to make the sonarman more awake, how to raise the detection probability, how to make the sonarman less deaf, etc!

- If you have a modded sensors.dat and don´t want to use the one that comes with the mod, then just do the follow:

1. make sure to delete each "SensorData" controller from each hydro type on your own sensors.dat using S3D (1 per hydro type on sensors.dat).

2. also delete the sensors.dat that come with this mod - will use only the new "sensors.cam" file, it´s in truth the same for the three versions (GWX,NYGM,WAC).

In the end, you will have your own sensors.dat (without any SensorsData controller for hydrophones) and the Sensors.cam from this mod. This is enough to go!

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Link to download (after decompress choose accordingly)
Version 2.0
New_Hydrophones_layersV2.0.7z


Update 09 april 2014
Leitender made a reworked version with few more historical adjusts.
More detailed info on the readme.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/50....0_reworked.7z

[bigboywooly]

Hmmmm sounds interesting Rubini
Look forward to giving it a try
Nice to see you still tinkering with the files

[irish1958]

I also are very interested. I have been unable to get into SH5. You will have to give us some insight.

[brett25]

that would be an excellent and well needed mod

[Rubini]

Thanks guys!
@ How are you BBW? Nice to see you!

The mod is ready!

I just need the unmodded (and more actual) sensors.dat from GWX, from NYGM and from WAC.
I don´t have them and need them to make the mod compatible.

Can someone give me a link with them?

[brett25]

rubini, heres NYGM sensors:

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21406277/NYGM.zip

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by brett25

rubini, heres NYGM sensors:

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21406268/NYGM.7z

Thanks! just waiting for wac and GWx3.0 then.

[Rubini]

"file not found"?

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Forget , got it!

I was too quick!

[Sepp von Ch.]

OK. Thanks Rubini.

[gap]

Originally Posted by Rubini

Leitender have noticed that the player only can listen from one of the layers (seems the more deep one, the other two are deaf for the player).
Anyhow, the sonarman and the game works normally on the hydro contacts and dinamics, as intend.
So, be adviced, until we find a solution, that this mod is not suitable for players that like to listen contacts by theirselfs

Hi Rubini,

I suggest you to go through the last posts of Repaired Equipment MOD's thread: it seems that I and volodya61 managed to fix the above issue, making hydrophone contacts audible along the whole sensor's depth range.

Hopefully our method will work for SHIII as well

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by gap

Hi Rubini,

I suggest you to go through the last posts of Repaired Equipment MOD's thread: it seems that I and volodya61 managed to fix the above issue, making hydrophone contacts audible along the whole sensor's depth range.

Hopefully our method will work for SHIII as well

Thanks by the tip gap! Just finished to read all that thread and will start to test your approach on sh3. Will post my finds later!

[Rubini]

Ok, first quick test done:

it works also on SH3! Great find guys!

Some comments and limitations:

1. The solution is related to make the first sensor the more long one (more distance sensible, currently the more deep). In this original mod and also on my version for Sh3 the sequence was just the inverse: first the short one, last the long one.

2.With this correction the mod continues to work on Ai/sonarman crew side correctly...but

3. At player (human) side, besides the fact that now we have again a really working hydro station as before (I mean, we have again ambience and propelers sound there all the time), it have the flaw of working all the time, for any distance (from max 30km from almost 0km), independentely of the hydro layer.

Conclusion: isn´t a perfect solution because the player will listen too much, independently of the hydro layer or uboat depth, but the AI/sonarman will works correctly, as the mod intention. Probably by game engine limitation, we will never have a perfect solution, but the mod is much better now!!(well, "never" can´t be used on SH3/4/5 mod community, we already fix a lot of unfixable things, no?)

I will test it a bit more and make a new update package soon!

[gap]

Hi Rubini,

I am glad that, despite its limitations, the fix also worked for you.
your conclusions are correct:

- only the last SensorData controller of each hydrophone (the one with the bigger Index Id) is used for human audible contacts: its Min and Max SensorHeights must cover the whole depth range at which we want contacts to be audible by the player;

- unfortunately human audible contacts are not affected by MaxRange settings: as noted by you, they are audible at any range. This is a limitation (or rather an unlimitation ) relative to SH5 and probaly to SHIII stock games. Introducing layers with limited hydrophone detection, the present mod and your one for SHIII only make the problem more obvious.

[Rubini]

Hi guys,

After made more tests i can say that the gap fix really fixed the problem! Now the mod is complete!!
I will make a new updated version and will post for download until tomorrow!

Thanks gap!