Obama's impeachable Offenses(link)

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Actions speak louder than words a lot of people say this but nothing ever happens more than likely because there are too many people with far left or far right leanings who think everyone else is stupid and should be despised are out there.No government is perfect and can satisfy every citizen there are just to many differing views for this to be anywhere near possible.A short time after the US gained independence came the first upsetting of much of the citizenship with the tax on whiskey better known as the Whiskey Rebellion.We still have liquor taxes.

If you read about out the legislative branch of the US has more less always had corrupt senators and congressmen or ones that at least greatly favored their constituency over what was best for the entire nation.

The problem is someone running for office can say they will do this or that and seem very anti status quo but when they get to D.C. they very quickly find that they are going to be able to do very little assuming they really wanted to do so much in the first place.I think the best cure would be to introduce term limits.

Yes. I promise to do this, but now that I am elected and entrenched in my position "forget" you (as Cee lo Green says, you know that forget is really a 4 letter curse right?)

You ever heard of Cincinnatus?

He was given dictator powers from the the senate of Rome. He won his war, reliquished his powers and went back to his farm. George Washington tried to follow this example. He was a shoe-in for the first American King, but wanted no part.

I am so for term limits, perhaps we will have more people like Washington and Cincinnatus rather than Gingriches or Romneys.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

The problem is someone running for office can say they will do this or that and seem very anti status quo but when they get to D.C. they very quickly find that they are going to be able to do very little assuming they really wanted to do so much in the first place.I think the best cure would be to introduce term limits.

You can run on any platform you like, but once you get to DC, the party whip greets you and says "Ok, the party will support you on this, this and this, but when you said that - forget it. Not happening. We'll help you out so long as you help us out and vote with the rest of the caucus or you'll be a one termer. Got it? Good. Now let's go have drinks with the lobbyists."

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You can run on any platform you like, but once you get to DC, the party whip greets you and says "Ok, the party will support you on this, this and this, but when you said that - forget it. Not happening. We'll help you out so long as you help us out and vote with the rest of the caucus or you'll be a one termer. Got it? Good. Now let's go have drinks with the lobbyists."

What could anyone add to this but...






It is what it is.

So a constructive question...

What can we do about it?
Nothing, except outright revolt will please them, and I doubt the ability of the national guard to fire on civvies.

Then again seeing as how police treated non violent protestors this fall in NYC, we are lucky we do not have concentration camps.

(call me full of crap, until I link abuse vids from you tube, from multiple cities. Tony Baloney (Anthony Balongna) is a real cop, macing sitting women...)

Or do we..FEMA?

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

...and I doubt the ability of the national guard to fire on civvies...

*cough* BERKELEY!! *cough cough*

[razark]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You can run on any platform you like, but once you get to DC, the party whip greets you and says "Ok, the party will support you on this, this and this, but when you said that - forget it. Not happening. We'll help you out so long as you help us out and vote with the rest of the caucus or you'll be a one termer. Got it? Good. Now let's go have drinks with the lobbyists."

I'm going to go curl up in a fetal position, repeatedly watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", and get quite drunk now.

[Stealhead]

Little known fact: "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" was the first film advertised as "based on a true story". They need to make another one called "Mr.Moneybags hires lobby and gets what he wants from Washington without having to actually go to Washington".

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by krashkart

*cough* BERKELEY!! *cough cough*

What? I assume your referring to Kent State, not Berkeley?

If you were - you can hardly call people who burn cars, buildings, throw rocks and tear gas cannisters at soldiers, etc. - "civilians". While I would say that the shootings there were not necessarily "justified", history shows that the Guard at the scene were in fact assaulted by your so called "civilians". Legal review also determined that the Guard was involved in a legal dispursement - which was refused by many.

So, arsonists and other criminals who refuse to abide by the law we have in this land, who then assault armed soldiers - are somehow innocent civilians?

Well, if thats your view, then its easy to guess your view on palestinian terrorists too..... Guess they are all just "innocent civvies" as well....

Kent State was a tragedy - but to absolve one side of guilt and blame only the other, is a refusal of historical fact and an intentional disregard for the reality of personal responsibiltiy.

[Sailor Steve]

Two of the Kent State dead were part of the protest. The other two were walking from one class to another. Nine other students were wounded. One Guardsman was injured, about 10 minutes before the shooting began.

Yes, some of the protestors were out of line. That doesn't change the fact that the National Guard was completely out of line and the shooting unwarranted.

If you were - you can hardly call people who burn cars, buildings, throw rocks and tear gas cannisters at soldiers, etc. - "civilians".

wow
I didn't think anything could top the OP

So, arsonists and other criminals who refuse to abide by the law we have in this land, who then assault armed soldiers - are somehow innocent civilians?

Ah I get it now, its just building a nice scarecrow.

Well, if thats your view, then its easy to guess your view on palestinian terrorists too.....

Even Baldric can outwit that one in a tactical situation

[AVGWarhawk]

I have seen FEMA mentioned twice in this thread. What grand conspiracy concerning FEMA is being alluded too?

What grand conspiracy concerning FEMA is being alluded too?

Go to the home page of the opening piece, it is very good for a laugh, just click on any random piece.
Or for FEMA conspiracies in particular just look for Jones and his pieces on the secret FEMA concentration camps which Obama is going to put the US population into, or Obamas secret personal FEMA army of errrrrr....Nazi dentists which are going to round up the population as part of his new world order corporate communist jewish nazi capitalist european african arab atheist federal muslim illuminati scheme

Or if you want to take it more seriously just take the "constitutional expert" in the article and read his work on the constitution, see how many lines you can get through before you are absolutely sure without a shadow of a doubt that he is clueless.

Whichever approach you take one thing is certain......Bubbles really delivered on this one

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

What? I assume your referring to Kent State, not Berkeley?

Yes, I meant Kent State.

The point that I was trying to make, Hap, is that the Guard has been known in the past to fire on civilians. I didn't try to explain why they did it, nor cast blame at one side or the other.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You can run on any platform you like, but once you get to DC, the party whip greets you and says "Ok, the party will support you on this, this and this, but when you said that - forget it. Not happening. We'll help you out so long as you help us out and vote with the rest of the caucus or you'll be a one termer. Got it? Good. Now let's go have drinks with the lobbyists."

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how it is. What do you think would happen to a politician who would would tell the party leadership "forget the party, I am going to do what I feel is best"?

1. They won't be on any important committees
2. Their bills will die in committee
3. They won't get any money or support from the party either during their term or for their reelection.

End result, a complete waste of everything.

The priorities of a politician are

1. Get elected/reelected
2. Get others of their party elected/reelected
3. Garner support for their party and their party's agenda/platform
5. Do something good for the country as long as it does not conflict with 1-4

I wonder what priority 4 is? That's where you separate good and bad politicians. But that is way down the list.

It is one of the weaknesses of our democratic representative form of government.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Go to the home page of the opening piece, it is very good for a laugh, just click on any random piece.
Or for FEMA conspiracies in particular just look for Jones and his pieces on the secret FEMA concentration camps which Obama is going to put the US population into, or Obamas secret personal FEMA army of errrrrr....Nazi dentists which are going to round up the population as part of his new world order corporate communist jewish nazi capitalist european african arab atheist federal muslim illuminati scheme

Or if you want to take it more seriously just take the "constitutional expert" in the article and read his work on the constitution, see how many lines you can get through before you are absolutely sure without a shadow of a doubt that he is clueless.

Whichever approach you take one thing is certain......Bubbles really delivered on this one

While the FEMA thing is most likely nutjob speculation(would not put it past obama, shame how many people have blinders on about this guy, read his first book, look at his actions especially his recent attack on religious liberty.I am an atheist but believe in the constitution which obviously obama does not) the list of his impeachable offenses was spot on, so I posted it.Tribes you ignorant little man, glad to see you enjoyed it.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I must admit I am a little baffled by the claim that "academia is dominated by lefties". The leanings of the facility is going to depend largely on the school.Bubblehead comes from FL so I assume that he either went to Florida State or the University Of Florida.I cant say so much about FSU but I myself attended classes at UF to finish my BA and I have several friends that attended UF for their entire post secondary education.Some of my friends are very conservative and they never once complained about the facility being a bunch of "lefties" and in my experiences the left right leaning where 50/50.

If Bubblehead dislikes lefties so much he should have done a little research into the faculty of the school/s that he attended/attends.I mean if you go to UC Berkeley and you hate lefties you are the one that looks foolish. Bubblehead should have looked at this site before enrolling http://www.yaf.org/topconservativecolleges.aspx or perhaps Bubblehead does not understand what liberal arts means.

I think either Bubblehead is overly caught up in his own leanings that he automatically sees anyone that is not as conservative as he considers correct he just labels them a leftist.Personally I think that it is good for a college or university to have a mixture in its faculty.In my experience most professors where open to discussion not opposed to it.

I dont know about others but I do not choose my friends based on their ideologies as Bubblehead does what matters to me is are they are good person are they a good friend to me not who they vote for or what their political leanings are.

Haha, I would never attend those colleges, they are mostly christian run indoctrination centers that are just as ignorant as the left wingers. The problem with the left leaning professors is they teach their ideology and not what they are supposed to teach. Example, a pre law professor taught the "living constitution" like it was standard when it is not.This Professor became quite irritated when I challenged him, some agreed with me, others with the professor ,while many just droned on like sheep and did not engage in the discussion.Fair in his grading? Yes, I was awarded an A in his course.Fair in his teaching? NO That is where it gets dangerous, most professors know the majority of undergraduate students have no firm views as of yet and many attempt to indoctrinate them.That is why many undergrads are so insanely liberal, most grow out of it from what I understand, but the seeds are definitely planted in undergrad.

Professors at my Law School are not all left wing hacks but seems most of them I have this term are, so I am a bit more irritated than normal.I have to tell you, it really is irritating when you watch someone abuse their position to spread a harmful ideology instead of teaching.Keeping things fair, right wing professors(not that many really) do the same in many cases but academia is currently dominated by liberals.Bottom line, one may have their ignorant left/socialist/commie views etc and are the scum of the earth, because their beliefs put the collective over individual liberty, but don't abuse the position.