Sarah's speech in Wisconsin was hot tea

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by yubba

If the Left had a little more God In their lives, we won't be in the mess we are in now. No moral compass, over the cliff you go, say hi, to Satin for me.

Hello hot button, called Religious ramrodding.

Screw that noise. I have enough strength of character to know right from wrong without the aid of an invisible all knowing father figure to tell me what to do. Unfortunately, not everyone in our society has the same strength of character, and needs a crutch. I'm guessing you need a crutch.

Here's your crutch. Enjoy.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

This, I like!

Mike.

[NeonSamurai]

Just as an FYI I have subsiquently gone through this thread and trimmed out the excessively sexist or sexual comments. I did that instead of giving out infractions this time.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Duci, that is about the most ridiculas sticker I have seen. Perhaps it should be on Harry Potter books as well.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by yubba

The founding fathers didn't have much trouble with religion,

No they didn't, except for the part where they didn't want any religion running the country. James Madison, the "Father of the Constitution", didn't want Congress to have chaplains unless they paid them out of their own pockets, and he also didn't want any churches to get special priveledges or tax breaks. Jefferson was an absolute enemy of organized religion.

why should we, it is the bases and the foundation of this country,

Not really. Most of the original colonies were founded as business propositions.

if you have a godless country you have a lawless country,

How do you figure that? Most of our laws have nothing to do with religion at all, and it seems to be ingrained in man to be a social animal and to try to work together. Sure, religion can have a civilizing influence, but that doesn't mean that we are the way we are because of God; that is the reason implied by those who believe, but that doesn't make it so.

just like what is going on now and it is sickening, don't be fooled these people in DC don't care about you or me, all they care about is their power and how much they can take away from you.

That is true, but it applies just as much to the ones who believe as to the ones who don't. You see the non-believers as perverting our rights and using us for their own agendas. True, but others see the believers as subverting our rights for their own agendas, and no better than the non-believers. I see both, and the people who want to make this a "Christian" country (which, despite wishful thinking to the contrary it never was) as just as dangerous as the ones you're afraid of.

These are our God given rights, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happyness, not us slaving away, to a out of control government, they are suppose to work for us, not us for them.

Or "Natural" Rights". However they came about, they are ours, and Right is just as responsible for the out of control government as the Left. You seem to be trying to blame one side only for our problems, and you're wrong on that.

If the Left had a little more God In their lives, we won't be in the mess we are in now. No moral compass, over the cliff you go, say hi, to Satin for me.

And that's strictly your belief, not proven fact.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Duci, that is about the most ridiculas sticker I have seen. Perhaps it should be on Harry Potter books as well.

Do billions of people accept the Harry Potter books as fact, and use them as the basis of their belief? I know some do, but not that many, I hope.

Jedi, anyone?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

So what?

The "so what" of it is you took Armistead's argument, made it into some strawman about politicians not being able believe in God or some nonsense, and ran with it. I brought it back to his original point: it is a problem when people push their religious beliefs into government, or advocate such. Sarah Palin has done so on numerous occasions.

Do you deny that conflating politics and religion is a bad idea?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Do billions of people accept the Harry Potter books as fact, and use them as the basis of their belief? I know some do, but not that many, I hope.

Jedi, anyone?

Star Trek anyone?

I just find that sticker comical Steve. Probably because people suffer these issues even without reading the Bible.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by yubba

If the Left had a little more God In their lives, we won't be in the mess we are in now. No moral compass, over the cliff you go, say hi, to Satin for me.

Whatever happened to, "Let he among you without sin cast the first stone"? Like it or not, yubba, this country's been heading towards that cliff for a long time, regardless of who was in office. Absolute power has corrupted absolutely, in the very face of the predominant Christianity of this country.

I tend more to the left than the right, and happen to be an atheist. Guess this means I'm doomed, because I don't march to your conservative Christian drum? Looks like, at the worst, I'll be first against the wall when the Christian revolution comes, or if 'm lucky, perhaps just a lower-tiered "person of interest."

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Growler

Whatever happened to, "Let he among you without sin cast the first stone"? Like it or not, yubba, this country's been heading towards that cliff for a long time, regardless of who was in office. Absolute power has corrupted absolutely, in the very face of the predominant Christianity of this country.

I tend more to the left than the right, and happen to be an atheist. Guess this means I'm doomed, because I don't march to your conservative Christian drum? Looks like, at the worst, I'll be first against the wall when the Christian revolution comes, or if 'm lucky, perhaps just a lower-tiered "person of interest."

That's ok, see in this free soceity you can think what ever you want that's what makes America great, try that in China, Russia,and any other rat hole country, and you will more than likely be lined up on a wall, but more than likely you'll be on your knees with a bullet in the back of your head. I'll pray for your soul anyway, that's what good christian folk do. I myself and millions like me will be kicking en screamin and fightin before we let the left drag us over, be careful what you wish for, because you will never be able to pay for it.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by yubba

That's ok, see in this free soceity you can think what ever you want that's what makes America great, try that in China, Russia,and any other rat hole country, and you will more than likely be lined up on a wall, but more than likely you be on your knees with a bullet in the back of your head. I'll pray for soul anyway that's what good christian folk do.

That's just it, yubba, we're NOT allowed to think what we want - the PC crowd, and the religious one - has seen to that. Know of any atheist presidents? Yeah, me neither. How about any (proven!) Muslim ones? We've had what, one, maybe two Roman Catholics in office... the upper echelon of leadership in this country is, predominantly (and almost exclusively) of the Christian bent. President Bush Sr. is alleged to have said that atheists couldn't even be considered citizens or patriots in this nation under God. Sounds to me like I'm being considered a second-class citizen. (Now, this is alleged, not proven, and the person alleging it is an atheist activist; that said, the Bush Presidential Library did release letters concerning this 1987 interview, and at the time, the Bush campaign did nothing to discredit the statement.) With knowledge of this potential bias, the fact that it is discussed some twenty years on suggests veracity in the sentiment, if not in the words itself.

If we're allowed to say and think and believe what we want, explain to me why the last brick & mortar college I went to had an exclusively titled "Black Student Union" and that's fine, but a similarly titled "White Student Union" would have the ACLU's little-girl pants in a wad; further, if we're allowed to believe what we want, give me one - just one - good secular reason to oppose the rights of homosexuals to marry, or for abortion to be outlawed.

One good, non-religious, non-judgmental, secular reason for those two things.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Growler

That's just it, yubba, we're NOT allowed to think what we want - the PC crowd, and the religious one - has seen to that. Know of any atheist presidents? Yeah, me neither. How about any (proven!) Muslim ones? We've had what, one, maybe two Roman Catholics in office... the upper echelon of leadership in this country is, predominantly (and almost exclusively) of the Christian bent. President Bush Sr. is alleged to have said that atheists couldn't even be considered citizens or patriots in this nation under God. Sounds to me like I'm being considered a second-class citizen. (Now, this is alleged, not proven, and the person alleging it is an atheist activist; that said, the Bush Presidential Library did release letters concerning this 1987 interview, and at the time, the Bush campaign did nothing to discredit the statement.) With knowledge of this potential bias, the fact that it is discussed some twenty years on suggests veracity in the sentiment, if not in the words itself.

If we're allowed to say and think and believe what we want, explain to me why the last brick & mortar college I went to had an exclusively titled "Black Student Union" and that's fine, but a similarly titled "White Student Union" would have the ACLU's little-girl pants in a wad; further, if we're allowed to believe what we want, give me one - just one - good secular reason to oppose the rights of homosexuals to marry, or for abortion to be outlawed.

One good, non-religious, non-judgmental, secular reason for those two things.

See you just did think about it, now it's up too you, me and anybody else who wants too be free in this nation too do something about it. All it takes is the first step. Or maybe you would like Shiara Law.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by yubba

That's ok, see in this free soceity you can think what ever you want that's what makes America great, try that in China, Russia,and any other rat hole country, and you will more than likely be lined up on a wall, but more than likely you'll be on your knees with a bullet in the back of your head. I'll pray for your soul anyway, that's what good christian folk do. I myself and millions like me will be kicking en screamin and fightin before we let the left drag us over, be careful what you wish for, because you will never be able to pay for it.

Hey look everybody! We have our own home grown right wing christian extremist insinuating militant threats. How very christian!

See folks, this is why i detest church. In specific, hardliner christian's because they do not practice what they preach. They talk about how your supposed to show tolerance, understanding, and compassion, and yet they have none themselves. They are the biggest hypocrite's in America, worthy only of scorn and contempt.

And people wonder why i hate religion so much. HA!

[AVGWarhawk]

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Hey look everybody! We have our own home grown right wing christian extremist insinuating militant threats. How very christian!

See folks, this is why i detest church. In specific, hardliner christian's because they do not practice what they preach. They talk about how your supposed to show tolerance, understanding, and compassion, and yet they have none themselves. They are the biggest hypocrite's in America, worthy only of scorn and contempt.

And people wonder why i hate religion so much. HA!

Who do you think the people were, that was in the American Revolution with Britian, they were christians they fought and died, so you can destroy the country they have created. I don't recall insinuating a militant threat but if that's what you think, then fine it's america, well at least I got too see what the Left, has to offer in Wisconsin, Godless Union thugs, these will be the faces of your new tax collectors and task masters so enjoy. You hate me and Sarah because we are right, so tell me what's so appealling of the Left, they promise you something that me and others are going to have to pay for. When we beat the British they could at least go back to England. Ha