Lifeboats

[Sgt_Raa]

stop arguing please guys

[frau kaleun]

Enjoy Nuremburg, I hear the firing squads are beautiful that time of year.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Sgt_Raa

how do i make the lifeboats so i can kill the crews in them?... coz im mean like that lol

You big meanie... I think they are classed as an environment like the lightships and cannot be destroyed, you'll just have to stick with leaving them adrift in the Atlantic in the middle of a storm

[frau kaleun]

[Kimmers]

ahahaha green ships
you're lucky all you lose is renown.

[applesthecat]

I know that in the Pacific, Mush Morton machine gunned Japanese survivors in the water and actually got a medal for it. In fact, shows that gunning survivors in the water was considered legitimate policy.

Then there are the H M S Torbay incidents in which Capt. Miers ordered the shooting of German survivors in rafts on two separate occasions. He entered both incidents into his log. The Admiralty sent him a strongly worded letter afterward but nothing else.

[HW3]

I know that in the Pacific, Mush Morton machine gunned Japanese survivors in the water and actually got a medal for it. In fact, shows that gunning survivors in the water was considered legitimate policy.

That is because the Japanese survivors had a nasty habit of trying to kill their rescuers.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by applesthecat

I know that in the Pacific, Mush Morton machine gunned Japanese survivors in the water and actually got a medal for it. In fact, shows that gunning survivors in the water was considered legitimate policy.

Then there are the H M S Torbay incidents in which Capt. Miers ordered the shooting of German survivors in rafts on two separate occasions. He entered both incidents into his log. The Admiralty sent him a strongly worded letter afterward but nothing else.

We've had that discussion several times before. Morton could be culpable, but he claimed they shot at his boat first. The video is edited, and is proof of nothing. Yes, we see guns shooting. Yes, we see people in the water, and some footage of people apparently being shot. But there is no accompanying explanation. Was it malicious, or was there a reason. We don't know, nothing is explained and claiming that it was undeserved, or deserved, or that it was considered policy to wantonly shoot survivors in the water. Proof would be actual orders showing that it was considered policy. Anything else is speculation.

Now who would place a damage zone on a base node for the Survivors
that would allow them to be destroyed and then replaced with a dead body by useing a custom zone in the zone.cfg?

[Sgt_Raa]

Originally Posted by privateer

Now who would place a damage zone on a base node for the Survivors
that would allow them to be destroyed and then replaced with a dead body by using a custom zone in the zone.cfg?

Someone should make this mod for the homicidal ones like me... lol
im not that good yet... i can install mods but not make em!
it is known im sure that german uboats wouldnt take prisoners alot so they would just kill em off...
correct me if im wrong

Originally Posted by Sgt_Raa

it is known im sure that german uboats wouldnt take prisoners alot so they would just kill em off...
correct me if im wrong

Stand by for the Broad Sides you're gonna get.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Sgt_Raa

Someone should make this mod for the homicidal ones like me... lol
im not that good yet... i can install mods but not make em!
it is known im sure that german uboats wouldnt take prisoners alot so they would just kill em off...
correct me if im wrong

Towards the front-end of the war, uboots did rescue survivors. Then one day they started getting attacked whilst doing so... to me it's a no-brainer, don't pick up survivors, and that's what happened. Occassionally a uboot commander would sail some distance away and radio in clear the last position of the sinking vessel. I guess as allied air cover increased in the Atlantic this also reduced...

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Sgt_Raa

Someone should make this mod for the homicidal ones like me... lol
im not that good yet... i can install mods but not make em!
it is known im sure that german uboats wouldnt take prisoners alot so they would just kill em off...
correct me if im wrong

Just because they did not take prisoners doesn't mean they simply shot survivors in the water. This would have been considered WAY outside the established rules of conduct, even for unrestricted submarine warfare.

In many cases they would come near enough to any lifeboats to talk to the survivors and get a positive ID on the ship they'd just sunk and any other info her men were willing to give them. There are accounts of u-boat crews passing over some basic supplies if needed as well as giving survivors their position and a course towards the nearest landfall, even charts and navigational aids if they had them to spare and the survivors had none. Also accounts of u-boat commanders finding and hailing neutral ships in the area and sending or bringing them back to pick up survivors of enemy ships they'd sunk.

Even the Laconia Order, which officially forbade u-boat crews from picking up or rendering extensive aid to survivors of their attacks, was only issued after an Allied plane attacked a u-boat that was attempting to rescue the Laconia's survivors.

Also you have to remember that the men on board u-boats were themselves sailors who might at any time be left at the mercy of the open sea and the elements of nature, and who were very much aware of this fact. To turn one's weapons on a helpless castaway already in that situation would be, for lack of a better phrase, a huge karmic no-no.

And of course there was also the possibility that one might be found out and held accountable for the killing of essentially helpless survivors, as was the case with Heinz-Wilhelm Eck. He ordered his men to machine-gun the wreckage of a sinking Greek ship, thereby killing some of her surviving crew. A coupla months later he was a POW in the hands of the British, who recovered his boat's war diary which contained a record of the incident. Eck and two of his officers were tried and convicted of war crimes and subsequently executed in 1945.

[Sgt_Raa]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Just because they did not take prisoners doesn't mean they simply shot survivors in the water. This would have been considered WAY outside the established rules of conduct, even for unrestricted submarine warfare.

In many cases they would come near enough to any lifeboats to talk to the survivors and get a positive ID on the ship they'd just sunk and any other info her men were willing to give them. There are accounts of u-boat crews passing over some basic supplies if needed as well as giving survivors their position and a course towards the nearest landfall, even charts and navigational aids if they had them to spare and the survivors had none. Also accounts of u-boat commanders finding and hailing neutral ships in the area and sending or bringing them back to pick up survivors of enemy ships they'd sunk.

Even the Laconia Order, which officially forbade u-boat crews from picking up or rendering extensive aid to survivors of their attacks, was only issued after an Allied plane attacked a u-boat that was attempting to rescue the Laconia's survivors.

Also you have to remember that the men on board u-boats were themselves sailors who might at any time be left at the mercy of the open sea and the elements of nature, and who were very much aware of this fact. To turn one's weapons on a helpless castaway already in that situation would be, for lack of a better phrase, a huge karmic no-no.

ah ok..... i didnt know about that...... makes me look at it in a different way..... i had never leaned that... google hear i come!
thx frau



http://www.uboataces.com/battle-laconia.shtml

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Just because they did not take prisoners doesn't mean they simply shot survivors in the water. This would have been considered WAY outside the established rules of conduct, even for unrestricted submarine warfare.

In many cases they would come near enough to any lifeboats to talk to the survivors and get a positive ID on the ship they'd just sunk and any other info her men were willing to give them. There are accounts of u-boat crews passing over some basic supplies if needed as well as giving survivors their position and a course towards the nearest landfall, even charts and navigational aids if they had them to spare and the survivors had none. Also accounts of u-boat commanders finding and hailing neutral ships in the area and sending or bringing them back to pick up survivors of enemy ships they'd sunk.

Even the Laconia Order, which officially forbade u-boat crews from picking up or rendering extensive aid to survivors of their attacks, was only issued after an Allied plane attacked a u-boat that was attempting to rescue the Laconia's survivors.

Also you have to remember that the men on board u-boats were themselves sailors who might at any time be left at the mercy of the open sea and the elements of nature, and who were very much aware of this fact. To turn one's weapons on a helpless castaway already in that situation would be, for lack of a better phrase, a huge karmic no-no.

Much better to die either in a blazing inferno, or slowly drifting through the Atlantic for days than a simple (?) shot to the head... Glad it's not my choice