Top 10 best tanks in the world

Jimbuna · 06-10-10, 07:19 AM

I'm not agreeing with the order as set out in the video link but was suprised at one or two placings.

What do you think?

Schroeder · 06-10-10, 07:40 AM

I smell a never ending story.

Dowly · 06-10-10, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I smell a never ending story.

This.

Jimbuna · 06-10-10, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I smell a never ending story.

Oh I'm not so sure...I expected a dozen at most would come in and simply state "I reckon no* should be above no**"

UnderseaLcpl · 06-10-10, 08:00 AM

I think the person who made this video didn't know what they were talking about. Where is the Stridswagen? Why is the M1A2 behind the Challenger? What criterion were used to judge placements?

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How can M1A2 Abrams can be the best, when it using German Reinmetal L44 gun. and Old British Chobham armour? Plus, it drink lots of fuel, it combat range are short. and it had being destroyed many in Iraq. Please, face fact that Abrams is 3rd, not 1st.

I'd agree with the Leopard 2 being ahead of the Abrams, or at least on par, but the Challenger 2 is simply no match. It also uses Chobham armour , but the fire-control systems are somewhat lacking. The rifled L30 120mm lacks the capacity to fire modern APFSDS rounds while the HESH and HEAT rounds are almost useless against modern MBT armour. I'd put it at no higher than third.

For my money, the number one tank in the the entire history of modern warfare is the T-34. No other tank has achieved so much with so little in such a short amount of time. Right after that I'd put the Jagdpanzer Panther, a remarkable vehicle that could hold it's own against even most modern MBTs, even though it isn't technically a tank. Finally, I'd place the Sturmgeschutz III, another non-tank, on the list for it's incredible combat record. Once I had those three, I might consider looking at modern MBTs with extremely short and unremarkable and/or no combat histories.

Jimbuna · 06-10-10, 08:08 AM

I personally think the top three are the correct choice....but I'm not so sure of the order

Perhaps the thread title should have stated 'current vehicles' or something like that

Skybird · 06-10-10, 08:26 AM

It's stupid to form such lists. Too many factors that are not even directly linked to technology are ignored: logistical capacity of the using army (I just say M1 gas turbines, and fuel...), availabability of precious ores to form ammunition, and that relating to tank fleet sizes that must be supplied (Russia uses Steel for the most, Germany Tungsten, the US uses DU). expected combat environment, combat doctrine: in the attack maybe the M1 is better protected over the complete hull, but in hull down the Leopard2A6 is better than the Abrams, becasue its top is tougher, but the lower hull and flanks are less heavily protected. Then, preferred combat range (depending on terrain, ammunition availability: for example, what is better: the heavy gun callibre of the Swedish CV-9040, or the additional TOWs for the M2 Bradleys? In desert, the Bradley. In the Swedish mixture of rough terrain, forest and missile-blocking, disrupted line of sights: the CV9040).

There are so many factors.

Rating a tank roughly, depends on the best-working balance between mobility, firepower, and protection. then, ergonomy, and technical reliability, and sensors. But "best-working" can have different meanings in differentarmies in different places fighting with different doctrines.

I think, though, that the M1 and the Leopard 2, maybe also the Challenger due to its armour level, play in the same league. I also think that merkava, Leclerc, T-90, form a subordinate second class, which can be lethal for players of the first if these top tanks meet the second league tanks without proper respect.

The only thing one can say for sure is: the most ergonomic tank is the German one.

The Asian tanks I do not comment on, I know almost nothing about them.

Oberon · 06-10-10, 09:03 AM

The best tank in the world is one that kills the enemy and keeps you alive.

Although...naturally, I must say, that since the Challenger II has a kettle on board, it wins hands down.

Bilge_Rat · 06-10-10, 09:09 AM

The M1A2 SEP, Challenger 2 and Leo 2A6 are probably the best MBTs in the world in 2010. How they rank against each other is hard to say since so much info is classified.

In terms of fire control, all three can engage and hit (usually with the 1st shot) a target while moving at top speed. Basically, they can hit and kill any target they can see with the first shot.

In terms of frontal protection, I would give the edge to the M1A2 SEP over the CR2, but that is just based on the fact that a Iraqi RPG-29 penetrated the frontal armour of a CR2 indicating a potential weak spot.

All three have weaker side and rear armour which can be penetrated by any ATGM/RPG.

However, in the real world, a ranking such as this is meaningless, since the army operating the weapon is often more important than the weapon itself.

The German Army, equipped with Pz III/IVs , trounced the Soviet Army in 1941-42, even though the Soviet T-34s and KV1s were much better tanks. The IDF equipped mostly with upgunned WW2 era shermans beat the Jordanian Army equipped with more modern M47 "Patton" tanks in 1967.

06-10-10, 07:19 AM	#1
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Top 10 best tanks in the world I'm not agreeing with the order as set out in the video link but was suprised at one or two placings. What do you think? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-10-10, 07:40 AM	#2
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I smell a never ending story. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

06-10-10, 08:08 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I personally think the top three are the correct choice....but I'm not so sure of the order Perhaps the thread title should have stated 'current vehicles' or something like that __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-10-10, 08:26 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It's stupid to form such lists. Too many factors that are not even directly linked to technology are ignored: logistical capacity of the using army (I just say M1 gas turbines, and fuel...), availabability of precious ores to form ammunition, and that relating to tank fleet sizes that must be supplied (Russia uses Steel for the most, Germany Tungsten, the US uses DU). expected combat environment, combat doctrine: in the attack maybe the M1 is better protected over the complete hull, but in hull down the Leopard2A6 is better than the Abrams, becasue its top is tougher, but the lower hull and flanks are less heavily protected. Then, preferred combat range (depending on terrain, ammunition availability: for example, what is better: the heavy gun callibre of the Swedish CV-9040, or the additional TOWs for the M2 Bradleys? In desert, the Bradley. In the Swedish mixture of rough terrain, forest and missile-blocking, disrupted line of sights: the CV9040). There are so many factors. Rating a tank roughly, depends on the best-working balance between mobility, firepower, and protection. then, ergonomy, and technical reliability, and sensors. But "best-working" can have different meanings in differentarmies in different places fighting with different doctrines. I think, though, that the M1 and the Leopard 2, maybe also the Challenger due to its armour level, play in the same league. I also think that merkava, Leclerc, T-90, form a subordinate second class, which can be lethal for players of the first if these top tanks meet the second league tanks without proper respect. The only thing one can say for sure is: the most ergonomic tank is the German one. The Asian tanks I do not comment on, I know almost nothing about them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-10-10, 09:09 AM	#9
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	The M1A2 SEP, Challenger 2 and Leo 2A6 are probably the best MBTs in the world in 2010. How they rank against each other is hard to say since so much info is classified. In terms of fire control, all three can engage and hit (usually with the 1st shot) a target while moving at top speed. Basically, they can hit and kill any target they can see with the first shot. In terms of frontal protection, I would give the edge to the M1A2 SEP over the CR2, but that is just based on the fact that a Iraqi RPG-29 penetrated the frontal armour of a CR2 indicating a potential weak spot. All three have weaker side and rear armour which can be penetrated by any ATGM/RPG. However, in the real world, a ranking such as this is meaningless, since the army operating the weapon is often more important than the weapon itself. The German Army, equipped with Pz III/IVs , trounced the Soviet Army in 1941-42, even though the Soviet T-34s and KV1s were much better tanks. The IDF equipped mostly with upgunned WW2 era shermans beat the Jordanian Army equipped with more modern M47 "Patton" tanks in 1967. __________________

06-10-10, 09:03 AM	#8
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The best tank in the world is one that kills the enemy and keeps you alive. Although...naturally, I must say, that since the Challenger II has a kettle on board, it wins hands down.