What's so great?

[Vandecker]

...or are you just looking for an argument?

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?

Mr Vibrating: I've told you once.

Man: No you haven't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I have.

Man: When?

Mr Vibrating: Just now!

Man: No you didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: I'm telling you I did!

Man: You did not!

Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Man: Oh ... Just a five-minute one.

Mr Vibrating: Fine (makes a note of it, the Man sists down) thank you. Anyway, I did.

Man: You most certainly did not.

Mr Vibrating: Now, let's get one thing quite clear. I most definitely told you!

Man: You did not.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!!

Man: Look, this isn't an argument.

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, it's just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: It is not.

Man: It is. You just contradicted me.

Mr Vibrating: No I didn't.

Man: Ooh, you did!

Mr Vibrating: No, no, no, no, no.

Man: You did, just then.

Mr Vibrating: No, nonsense!

Man: Oh, look this is futile.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: I came here for a good argument.

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't, you came here for an argument.

Man: Well, an argument's not the same as contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: It can be.

Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements to establish a definite proposition.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is. It isn't just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.

Man: But it isn't just saying 'No it isn't'.

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, Argument is an intellectual process ... contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is. Mr Vibrating: Not at all.

Man: Now look! Mr Vibrating: (pressing the bell on his desk) That's it. Good morning.

Man: But I was just getting interested.

Mr Vibrating: Sorry the five minutes is up.

Man: That was never five minutes just now!

Mr Vibrating: I'm afraid it was.

Man: No it wasn't.

Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.

Man: What!?

Mr Vibrating: If you want me to go on arguing you'll have to pay for another five minutes.

Man: But that was never five minutes just now ... oh Come on! (Vibrating looks round as though Man: was not there) This is ridiculous.

Mr Vibrating: I'm very sorry, but I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.

Man: Oh. all right. (pays) There you are.

Mr Vibrating: Thank you.

Man: Well?.

Mr Vibrating: Well what?

Man: That was never five minutes just now.

Mr Vibrating: I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!

Man: I've just paid.

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.

Man: I did! I did! I did!

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.

Man: Look I don't want to argue about that.

Mr Vibrating: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay.

Man: Aha! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing ... got you!

Mr Vibrating: No you haven't. Man: Yes I have ... if you're arguing I must have paid.

Mr Vibrating: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.

Man: I've had enough of this.

Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.

Man: Oh shut up!

[timmy41]

who let the toddler in here? the arcade games are down the hall.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by ERPP8

Could I have a simple answer in English.

Certainly.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...2&postcount=36

[Subnuts]

U-571 is a better movie than Das Boot because the special effects are better. Actually, I've never seen Das Boot, but I saw a couple screenshots of the DVD and the model of the boat looked really fake in them. LOL

Originally Posted by Subnuts

U-571 is a better movie than Das Boot because the special effects are better. Actually, I've never seen Das Boot, but I saw a couple screenshots of the DVD and the model of the boat looked really fake in them. LOL

Ha! 10-points for a target round. An opinion worthy of someone from another Subsim forum who shall remain nameless. Too bad no mention was made of ignoring all the vast liturature about the movie Das Boot around here or bothering to try and understand what little that might have been actually read. A far, far better thing it is just to stir the pot and leave.

Isn't sarcasm grand!

[kylania]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Certainly.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...2&postcount=36

While that's a superbly written and stirring recount of how awesome SH3 is today, it's hardly fair to compare SH3 + 5 years of mods + outside research and external programs to Stock SH5... Sure it mentions that "some" of it's due to mods, and the fact that SH5 will eventually get that good, but still. heh

Though, to be honest it's got me itching for another GWX patrol!!

[timmy41]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

U-571 is a better movie than Das Boot because the special effects are better. Actually, I've never seen Das Boot, but I saw a couple screenshots of the DVD and the model of the boat looked really fake in them. LOL

LOL perfect!

[YukonJack_AK]

To the gentleman complaining about the lack of graphics in SH3 comapred to the over the top "theatrics" in SH5... I'd like to point out how much fun games from the early 90's like Aces over Europe, 688I, etc were - THEY WERE GREAT! Yes, in comparison to todays 1080p blah blah b.s. they pale in comparison but what made them great was the fact that you still HAD to use a little imagination. So they had pixels the size of thumb-prints, big deal. They were fun and engaging and you could get lost for days. Personally, I'd rather the game dev's spend more time on game play that graphics whoredom - the games would be SO much better SH3 may not be the prettiest girl on the block... but she's got the best "personality"

[toodrunk]

To the OP, betcha can't wait for Naval Assault, Killing Tide to come out huh? Looks like so much fun, I mean, you can see on the outside of your awesome submarine. I know you can do that in SHIII, but the torpedos don't home in on anything, just make this little wake trail. How the hell does it make a wake? It's 10 feet underwater!Q!!!

[edit] [/sarcasm]

Meh, I'm a go hunt down a convoy or something.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by kylania

While that's a superbly written and stirring recount of how awesome SH3 is today, it's hardly fair to compare SH3 + 5 years of mods + outside research and external programs to Stock SH5... Sure it mentions that "some" of it's due to mods, and the fact that SH5 will eventually get that good, but still. heh

Though, to be honest it's got me itching for another GWX patrol!!

I doubt, that SHV will ever rise to the level of SHIII+mods... gameplay wise...
just too darn difficult to create anything for that beast, and too many people pissed off at it.
But let me hope that in 2013 SHV can be a true WWII U-boot simulator ...

[raymond6751]

Originally Posted by ERPP8

To me SHIII seems boring, SHIV WAS boring and SHV is the best game ever made!!!

The great thing about these sims is that they are that realistic that you can get bored. That too is realistic. The real submariners spent weeks sailing without spotting another ship.

I agree with the statement quoted except that SH5 has the potential to be good, but it isn't yet so. The modders, as with the previous versions, are going to continue to make it better.

If you are playing a sub sim without the boring part, you are playing an arcade game. Turn on the gramophone and listen to tunes. Pour water over your head for realism. Put a fan on your face for sea breeze. Stick a pail of diesel fuel in the corner of the room for sensory effect. Close all the windows and blinds and live in electric light, red at night.

See, there are things you can do.

[RConch]

I almost felt bad after reading Sailor Steve's specific and reasoned response to this person. Maybe I was too harsh and too quick to call this guy a troll.
Then I see he continued on the same line as before, much like a child always asking "why, why" to every answer given.
I stand by my original assesment.
Play the game (SH III) and then come back and support your conclusions on the differences and benefits of the two games.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by kylania

While that's a superbly written and stirring recount of how awesome SH3 is today, it's hardly fair to compare SH3 + 5 years of mods + outside research and external programs to Stock SH5... Sure it mentions that "some" of it's due to mods, and the fact that SH5 will eventually get that good, but still. heh

I completely agree. I was one of the people saying as much when everybody was slagging SH4.

But question wasn't about comparing stock versus stock, or about comparing at all. The question was why so many people looooove SH3 still. What more can I say, but that I'm very much looking forward to the day SH5 surpasses SH3 and SH4 in every category. And it looks like it will someday.

But not today.

[toodrunk]

Originally Posted by Rconch

Play the game (SH III) and then come back and support your conclusions on the differences and benefits of the two games.

That sounds about like the best advice.

[Immelman]

Originally Posted by raymond6751

I agree with the statement quoted except that SH5 has the potential to be good, but it isn't yet so. The modders, as with the previous versions, are going to continue to make it better.

If I understand correctly what you are saying is SH5 has the potential of becoming a great game to the point of even surpassing SH3 as we know it today with all the supermods. I haven't played SH5 so I will not dispute your claims I will leave it in the hands of more qualified people then I.

What I would like to understand is the following:
After all the effort of all the mods that have been done over the years to improve SH3 and make it what it is today why the heck should we encourage a half finished game like SH5 by buying it?

If UBI can't take the hint of what a subsim should look and feel like after all that was done; if they can't be bothered to release a better game then amateur programmers (amateurs only in the sense that they are not paid to do it, no insult intended) can do in their spare time; if they treat this game as a cash cow instead of a labor of love like the community does; then why the heck should we support them??

In fact what they are doing is counting on the fact that the game will be moded and made playable by the hardcore fans. So from their point of view why waste man hours and money when it will be done in due time for free by the fans? Just throw together some eye candy generate profits and let the idiots figure it out while we move on to the next project and do it all over again.

I believe that in buying SH5 we support this type of behavior. This has got to stop it’s gone on long enough. It's up to us to make it happen by our actions.