The Reason Why DRM Didn't(!) Fail - Page 5

TH0R · 03-06-10, 10:10 AM

Sadly, but it was expected - SH5 can already be DL-ed from certain sites. Together with the v1.1 patch.

Way to go UBI.

Ishigami · 03-06-10, 02:20 PM

If this is the definition of a successful DRM method then please by all means go with it UbiSoft!
I will rejoice at the announcement of UbiSoft stopping to produce any PC games in the futures. Obviously since they say their DRM is officially uncrackable every argument that the sales suck because of piracy is invalid. Therefore they have to admit that their games just suck and no one on the PC really wants to play them.
q.e.d.?

I think the “info” that the game receiving necessary campaign or mission data from the server is a convenient rumor spread by people too stupid to install the crack and supported by UbiSoft to diminish the success of the crackers and to try selling some more units over the uncertainty it produces.
From my experience all errors that occur are either due to a not correctly installed crack, starting the Ubi-Launcher while having internet access (Note: the cracked version does not need the Ubi-Launcher at all) or by the installation of an uncracked update.
As I see it the only thing the game receives is an authorization signal. The traffic is just too small for everything else. Not even the save games are really online, they are stored in “documents” even in the official version. There is just an option for online saves.
Anyway after some time cracker will probably leave SH5 in the dust and user of the cracked versions might not get the latest updates.
However if UbiSoft decides to release a expansion pack I’m pretty sure that this will get cracked (compare to SH4) and thus it might happen that even user of a cracked version will have the latest game version.

That said ACII and SH5 are the first games to use it and due to their development cycle the integration of the Ubi DRM might be sloppy. Maybe games that are really build around the DRM will be better protected? We don’t know yet but for the time being the result is pretty clear for me:

UbiSoft: -1 (image damage, not a good game and still copies: FU!)

Cracker: 1 (they did it)

Users: -1 (UbiSoft screws you and the game is just not good, it is mediocre or average at best and you paid good money for it)

Crack User: 0 (nothing won but nothing lost either)

Wolfmanjack · 03-06-10, 02:41 PM

its kind of sad but i just checked out amazon's website for SH5 and its reviews are just blasting the game. Out of 29 customer reviews 27 gave the game 1 star and 2 gave it 2 stars.. OWCH

Ubisoft has its head someplace the sun doesn't shine and its going to cost them.

Not to mention that Assassins creed 2 has been released to the net without DRM also..

Their UBER new DRM has failed big time ... I wonder if this was planned for all the time.. You know to give their lobbyists more ammo to pass stricter laws in Washington.

DRM never has been the answer.. Its a matter of producing a good product and supporting it.. Something Ubisoft is notorious for being bad at. They treat their customers like we were all homless bumbs.

Philipp_Thomsen · 03-06-10, 02:41 PM

I've just visited all the torrent sites I know, and in all of them you can find the game for download.

Patched, cracked.

I said, long ago, that is a lost cause to try to fight software with software. Its like trying to patch a bullet wound with a band-aid.

They release a new patch, a new crack for that patch will be avaliable the next day, if the crackers are feeling lazy.

If Ubisoft keep the strategy, more and more players will rely on cracks, even tho they bough the game.

But whats the point?

Honestly I think more people would buy the game if it didnt require internet connection, since the game is already cracked and avaliable at fast download rate for everybody, less then a week after game being released.

michaelws · 03-06-10, 03:22 PM

What is an SS account? Someone in an earlier post said the number of those accounts at UBI were increasing.

An "over 60" player here who has never been computer savvy, other than 3d animation (3dsmax) and Photoshop and Painter...and work 12 hour days to keep the metaphorical "dust" from accumulating in my kitchen's corners. Cut my teeth on an Amiga computer...so forgive a certain level of naivete in knowing a lot of computer jargon.

The original point is...what does ss mean? Thanks.

I have all the SH games from I to IV...but am holding out on this one because of the online (all-the-time) requirement.

TarJak · 03-06-10, 04:57 PM

SS=SubSim

tater · 03-06-10, 06:41 PM

My point (I mentioned "new" SS accounts) is that I keep seeing new people, and their first posts are how awesome OSP is, etc. Odd that none of the long-time members are posting that, or at least not in the same, hamfisted way.

Leads me to believe that new accounts are being created to make it look as if there is some grassroots support for this idiotic OSP scheme.

Arclight · 03-06-10, 08:20 PM

I'll just put this here, have to pick 1 DRM thread.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ubisof...ews-32914.html

Quote:

It turns out that the pirates may have jumped the gun on their victory cries, as there are now reports that players are unable to play Silent Hunter 5 past the first mission. It seems that the game may be making repeated requests for authentication between levels before allowing the player to continue.

03-06-10, 10:10 AM	#61
TH0R XO Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 420 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Sadly, but it was expected - SH5 can already be DL-ed from certain sites. Together with the v1.1 patch. Way to go UBI. __________________ *My IL2 stuff:* LEVEL BOMBING MANUAL v2.0 \| 'MUSTANG'

03-06-10, 02:41 PM	#64
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I've just visited all the torrent sites I know, and in all of them you can find the game for download. Patched, cracked. I said, long ago, that is a lost cause to try to fight software with software. Its like trying to patch a bullet wound with a band-aid. They release a new patch, a new crack for that patch will be avaliable the next day, if the crackers are feeling lazy. If Ubisoft keep the strategy, more and more players will rely on cracks, even tho they bough the game. But whats the point? Honestly I think more people would buy the game if it didnt require internet connection, since the game is already cracked and avaliable at fast download rate for everybody, less then a week after game being released. __________________ To each his own

03-06-10, 02:20 PM	#62
Ishigami Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 177 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	If this is the definition of a successful DRM method then please by all means go with it UbiSoft! I will rejoice at the announcement of UbiSoft stopping to produce any PC games in the futures. Obviously since they say their DRM is officially uncrackable every argument that the sales suck because of piracy is invalid. Therefore they have to admit that their games just suck and no one on the PC really wants to play them. q.e.d.? I think the “info” that the game receiving necessary campaign or mission data from the server is a convenient rumor spread by people too stupid to install the crack and supported by UbiSoft to diminish the success of the crackers and to try selling some more units over the uncertainty it produces. From my experience all errors that occur are either due to a not correctly installed crack, starting the Ubi-Launcher while having internet access (Note: the cracked version does not need the Ubi-Launcher at all) or by the installation of an uncracked update. As I see it the only thing the game receives is an authorization signal. The traffic is just too small for everything else. Not even the save games are really online, they are stored in “documents” even in the official version. There is just an option for online saves. Anyway after some time cracker will probably leave SH5 in the dust and user of the cracked versions might not get the latest updates. However if UbiSoft decides to release a expansion pack I’m pretty sure that this will get cracked (compare to SH4) and thus it might happen that even user of a cracked version will have the latest game version. That said ACII and SH5 are the first games to use it and due to their development cycle the integration of the Ubi DRM might be sloppy. Maybe games that are really build around the DRM will be better protected? We don’t know yet but for the time being the result is pretty clear for me: UbiSoft: -1 (image damage, not a good game and still copies: FU!) Cracker: 1 (they did it) Users: -1 (UbiSoft screws you and the game is just not good, it is mediocre or average at best and you paid good money for it) Crack User: 0 (nothing won but nothing lost either)

03-06-10, 02:41 PM	#63
Wolfmanjack Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	its kind of sad but i just checked out amazon's website for SH5 and its reviews are just blasting the game. Out of 29 customer reviews 27 gave the game 1 star and 2 gave it 2 stars.. OWCH Ubisoft has its head someplace the sun doesn't shine and its going to cost them. Not to mention that Assassins creed 2 has been released to the net without DRM also.. Their UBER new DRM has failed big time ... I wonder if this was planned for all the time.. You know to give their lobbyists more ammo to pass stricter laws in Washington. DRM never has been the answer.. Its a matter of producing a good product and supporting it.. Something Ubisoft is notorious for being bad at. They treat their customers like we were all homless bumbs.

03-06-10, 03:22 PM	#65
michaelws Seaman Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Kailua-Kona, Hawaii Posts: 38 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	What is an SS account? Someone in an earlier post said the number of those accounts at UBI were increasing. An "over 60" player here who has never been computer savvy, other than 3d animation (3dsmax) and Photoshop and Painter...and work 12 hour days to keep the metaphorical "dust" from accumulating in my kitchen's corners. Cut my teeth on an Amiga computer...so forgive a certain level of naivete in knowing a lot of computer jargon. The original point is...what does ss mean? Thanks. I have all the SH games from I to IV...but am holding out on this one because of the online (all-the-time) requirement.

03-06-10, 04:57 PM	#66
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	SS=SubSim

03-06-10, 06:41 PM	#67
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	My point (I mentioned "new" SS accounts) is that I keep seeing new people, and their first posts are how awesome OSP is, etc. Odd that none of the long-time members are posting that, or at least not in the same, hamfisted way. Leads me to believe that new accounts are being created to make it look as if there is some grassroots support for this idiotic OSP scheme.