Religion of peace strikes again: Danish cartoonist intruder shot

[Respenus]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yet since you repeatedly demonstrate that you havn't the faintest idea what sharia is and the only interpretation of Islam you accept is the same as the modern fundamentalist fruitcakes from the backwaters of crapsville, it means you have no arguement just a phobia.

Far from it Tribesman. I cannot say that I have the same amount of knowledge on Islam as Skybird or someone else has, yet the articles I've read in order to write my latest essay clearly spoke of what Skybird has said. Mind you, they were written by Muslims themselves, not by some "crackpot" western who thinks he knows a thing or two about Islam. As Skybird has written in the first post of the essay topic, Shari'ah is necessary in order to comprehend Islam, as it is interwoven into the very fabric of the religion. The same thing is claimed by female Muslim academics in the west (so that you won't just say that I'm talking about hardcore Iranian scholars or the like), that Shari'ah is a part of their religion and that you cannot remove it. They argue, as Skybird has pointed out, that a different interpretation of the text must take place, not that the text itself would be removed.

Please, do not take this as an offence of any sort Tribesman, yet some sort of an academic standard is demanded in any discussion when presenting arguments for someone's case. You calling Skybird over and over again a person with Islamophobia, without offering a different interpretation based on fact, both in scripture and empirical research, is nothing short of an attack on Skybird's academic integrity, one that he has proven, at least to me, over and over again.

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The White Rose were outright fools. They should have known better with the Nazi'S state that if you criticise it expect to be put on their wanted list and murdered sometime in the near future. Its no different than if i went and drawed a cartoon mocking Saddam's ego making him look like a sadomasochistic gay or something. What would happen? To tyrants like the Nazis, their ego, claim for power and control, and their reputation is everything, you cannot go round insulting their self-legitimation and expect to not be done over for it. Mock the democrats or the humanists, and a finger wont be lifted, im talking modern times here, in some cases they have complained but never put out a hit on the persons. Mock Hitler or Stalin or Saddam and you better go into hiding...

Best dont go there.

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I get your point. I don't know who the White Rose are but if they protested while in germany at the time then yes they're fools too.! Back then in WW2 cartoonist made mock drawings of Hitler / nazis while living in America or Britain with no threat to their lives, same with Saddam in the 80s/90s. With Islamic extremists though every cartoonist knows or should know that if they insult their God no matter where they hide what country they live in sooner or later they're going to be missing their heads. So those cartoonist who still choose to mock are just asking for it. Besides cartoonist who work this way are not making a point they are just sh*t stirring.

[Respenus]

Kiwi, I do hope that you are just messing around with what you've said about the White Rose.

I'd advise you to check this out, as a short intro into what the divide was about in the past and what it is now. Sure it's limited in scope and incomplete, yet it gets the point apart.

[Skybird]

White Rose: maybe better known are the names of Sophie and her brother Hans Scholl. They were at the centre of a resistance and protest circle that circulated flyers where they called for resistance to the Nazis, and brandmakred them as an evil, criminal regime. They finally got caught, brought to tribunal at the Volksgerichtshof, and executed by Guillotine almost on the same day.

The White Rose is held in high honour for its valor and honesty even in the face of their own death.

The text of the six leaflets they managed to bring out, can be found here:
http://www.holocaustresearchproject....rleaflets.html

An extremely disturbing, moving, yet unsentimental movie about them, is this, but be advised this movie is not for the faint of heart:
http://www.amazon.com/Sophie-Scholl-...2719723&sr=1-1

It was on my mind for a long time after I saw it. And I am not ashamed to admit that I cried. The atmosphere in the movie is extremely dense and depressing. To stick to your opinion and not pick the easy path under the overwhelming pressure of circumstances like this, gains my maximum of respect.

Respenus. The thing is that he seems to insist there is only one interpretation of both sharia and islam and that anything that is not of that single interrpretation cannot be real.
The simple fact that he takes a single relatively new form of interpretation as his true measure shows his closed minded approach to the subject.
It would be the same as taking the Christian Identity approach to scripture and applying it to all Christianity. Its easy to back that up by simply taking individual little bits of the Identity message and finding a wide variety of groups who will each agree with one or two differnt bits. Bundling all those groups and all those little bits together doesn't prove that Christian Identity relays a true interpretation or that Christians agree with their interpretation.

So Respenus the Islamophobia accusation stems not from his seeming wide knowledge, it stems from his refusal to accept that there are differnt versions ....and of course his belief in the global muslim conspiracy to take over the earth in a worldwide united caliphate....which has about as much bearing on reality as a proposal for the Muslims to stop fighting each other over thier differnt interpretations like they have been for the past 1500 years.