Flash: OBAMA IS PRESIDENT!!!

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Jim,

What really was the right choice? We, as Americans, are equally screwed no matter the outcome of the election. No matter the decisions Obama makes, I believe he does look at it deeply and with clarity. If he runs the country like his campaign (which was brilliant) we should be in good shape. One can say running for government is very different when you finally get into government. That is very true. However, Obama seemed very sincere and he accomplished this goal of winning without resorting to going across racial and political boundries. That would indicate the people voted for the man, not his skin (all though a lot voted because of his African American heritage. That is a given on both sides of the race) and I would like to see the numbers between the races of voters. Although I think his campaign has been orchastrated, it was done well. So, I give the guy a chance. I do not agree with some of his policies but I have to respect the position he has obtained. We move forward.

Oh yeah, Skybird, sorry about that earlier. I know he isn't the president yet, but unless something...unfortunate happens, then he'll be for sure But could be good to remember, that any mistakes/achievements from the presidentpost for the coming months would come from George.

[edit] woopsie, that was in the other thread, ah hell, I've already said it now:P

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Christopher Snow

Prediction: Germany will bail completely out of Afghanistan at the first opportunity.

Obama, for his part, will reinstitute the US draft quite soon. He will withdraw US forces ASAP from Iraq....(which should thrill all you EU types)...and he'll build instead in Afgh in a show of force.

Which won't intimidate anyone, and from which he will then gradually back down.

["A Strategic Withdrawal," he'll call it]

At which point the Russians will begin to exert a "creeping pressure" of their own in from the east.

Ukraine first...then Georgia (or maybe the other way round)....

You in the EU will WANT to raise the alarm at this point...and you will try....but who can help you?

Well WE can't. How could we? We're nearly bankrupt, with everyone over here suddenly on the dole---we've just gone socialist, remember, so everyone here is expecting (demanding!) his free handout....we've got to deal with all that first.....

.....you in the EU you are screwed. Too bad for you.

[But at least you got what you all wished for--"No more George W Bush!"]

Emergency measures taken on your side of the pond! No more 8 weeks of paid vacation (cut quickly now to only two weeks)....and no more 35 hour work weeks (it's thrust suddenly to 45, or even 50, and against great protests).

Still too little to late. You never did build up any meaningful military reserves (because you counted on us to provide them for all these years), so you have nothing to fall back on.....

Too bad for you.


CS

You do realize you sound like you are scared drunk right?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Darnit, you guys certainly know how to warp a big compliment into some kind of offense! Seriously do I need to explain myself in this? In case it was some kind of arrogance you read in my post you feel bugged about, and I can see where this may have come from, I apologize. But take an honest compliment as that, please.

Like I said, I was just messin' with you. But it does get old hearing other people nagging us to death about things like racism, when it's no different there, or other places. Just wait until you have a Muslim or Jewish candidate running for chanclellor and winning (disclaimer, for all I know Germany may already have had 10 Muslim/Jewish chancellors, I don't keep up with her politics).

Well, at least now the US leads Europe again, fall back into line now, y'all hear?

Edit: Of course, if ONE crazy lunstic shoots the new President, we will all be gun-crazy racists again. I hope nothing happens to Obama!!

[Kapitan_Phillips]

lmfao at all that smurf

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Christopher Snow

Semi-accurate.

I am an old(er) person (48), and I am scared nearly "****less," yes.

I have lost nearly all faith in the future, that would be true too.

I guess that makes you right. Congrats.


CS

Snow, don't let this upset you. We survived four years of Carter, who was a mirror image of Obama. We can manage to stagger through Obama. Who knows, maybe he will surprise us and accomplish some productive, American value objectives.

If not, remember, Marxism always fails in the end, be patient.

[Hanomag]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

2012

Sure why not...?

[Christopher Snow]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Oh, I suppose then you dug yourself into german politics and culture deep enough to make such a qualified prediction, hm? My respect, you'd be the first american I met actually caring and informing himself about other countries internal affairs.

Nah! Don't give me any undeserved credit. I neither dug in deep[ly], nor should you give me credit for doing so [let's not fool either of ourselves--I don't care much at all for German politics, nor do you expect me to].

So now that we are done with that bit of nonsense:

For Russia US involvement in the middle east is a present right from heaven itself. It binds US ressources, takes away US capability in countering russian endeavors and undermines US authority in general. A McCain with his sabre rattling is the best Russia could hope for, it would play right into their stratetigc interests to brand the US as a hypoctitic agressor and legitimite their ow actions. Or do you think Russia would have dared to march into Georgie with a strong US with all it's forces ready opposing it?
Hardly.

[Yes I think Russia would have marched westward, straight into Georgia, regardless of which US forces opposed it (and even against McCain) . I do also think they WILL march westward in similar fashion against Obama, and I think neither one could...or would really do that much to stop it. We have no forces to speak of in reserve, and they know it.

It's too bad YOUR countries don't seem to know it].

So, I think you are very much screwed, and it's only a matter of time until the Russians begin to test this idea (it's not fear mongering--it's a WARNING, not that there is much point to it (but it's the best I can do for you).

If you cannot build up your forces, then I suggest you, personally, be ready to "bug out" at short notice.

Get Liquid. Sell stocks buy Gold (and get that gold overseas, into the safest haven you can).

Think like a German citizen (a non-nazi) would have in 1935.

Short of using NUKES against them, I don't think we can really help you. So, as I said before, you let us know what you want us to do (and then Obama will decide either to back you up with nukes or let you be run over--I'm not sure which way he will go. Are YOU confident either way?)

So, please stop your fear mongering. We know very well what we owe the US in beeing involved in Europe for so long, but we also know it was by far not an act of pure altruism, but of US strategic interests. And something else to ponder..Germany had the opportunity to unite, the offer from the russian side was on the table, for the price of beeing neutral in the cold war. Instead western Germany chose to stick to the western allies and wait 50 years for reunification, despite beeing the premier battlefield and facing utter destruction in case war broke out. This is by far not as one sided as american folks tend to make it out. I won't even go into the military contribution Germany would have made in such a scenario. Unthankfulness? Hardly a european phenomennon alone.

So, please cut back your emotional rethorics and come back to the facts, yes? I am more then willing to discuss any of your points, as long they are at least remotely based on reality.[/quote]

[The facts? Ok. The reality for me is that I am selling all my US investments and heading for Canada].

In the long-run, I really don't think that will do me much more good than sitting there in Germany will do you over there...but it's all really I CAN do, realistically.


CS

[Christopher Snow]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

You do realize you sound like you are scared drunk right?

Half right anyway. I am very scared (and I'm not kidding).

FWIW, I don't own any guns. Or even a single Bible.

Yet.


CS

[jbt308]

Doesn't it frighten anyone in the least that he doesn't even qualify for security clearance? He is such a liability, he couldn't qualify to be his own Secret Service Agent!

I'll tell you what, if you can refrain from gloating today, I won't tell you I told you so for the next 4 years.

[Christopher Snow]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Snow, don't let this upset you. We survived four years of Carter, who was a mirror image of Obama. We can manage to stagger through Obama. Who knows, maybe he will surprise us and accomplish some productive, American value objectives.

If not, remember, Marxism always fails in the end, be patient.

Neal, thanks. I appreciate your attempt at giving me a "chin up."

Thank you.

What scares me so much now is that, every time in the past we had a solid US (a capitalist US) to back everyone else up.

But now we don't. WE have no backup.

The way I see it I have to get out (with everything I have) before Jan 20.

And I'm not very good at "panic flight."


CS

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by jbt308

Doesn't it frighten anyone in the least that he doesn't even qualify for security clearance? He is such a liability, he couldn't qualify to be his own Secret Service Agent!

I'll tell you what, if you can refrain from gloating today, I won't tell you I told you so for the next 4 years.

This is part of the orchastrated point that I have been making. Some very influencial people wanted this to happen. They had power enough to squelch all but one news media station (fox). Squelch others in Washington and specifically squelching Hillary Clinton. Let's face it, she was not the stalwart Obama supported she said she would be. What, two stump speechs after his nomination. This election seemed very contrived. As I have stated before, we knew more about Joe the Plumber in under two weeks than we did about Obama in two years. If you look at the squelching of everything about Obama, it is utterly amazing how the glazing over took place with the media. Personally, I blame the media for poor coverage and accurate reporting concerning Obama. The election was almost to perfect. In hindsight, Obama's campaign would probably screamed racism if the media went after him like others who ran for president. Just another bye for Obama.

I suggest Brag write a book on what looks to me like a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Like I said, I was just messin' with you. But it does get old hearing other people nagging us to death about things like racism, when it's no different there, or other places. Just wait until you have a Muslim or Jewish candidate running for chanclellor and winning (disclaimer, for all I know Germany may already have had 10 Muslim/Jewish chancellors, I don't keep up with her politics).

Well, at least now the US leads Europe again, fall back into line now, y'all hear?

Edit: Of course, if ONE crazy lunstic shoots the new President, we will all be gun-crazy racists again. I hope nothing happens to Obama!!

Point taken and agreed. I suppose it will be interesting once we do have a serious turkish candidate for the chancelor office.
But, that is the issue here. Racism may always play a role. But the astonishing fact is, that other criteria eventually were more important. And that is all one can ask for. I will be more then happy should this take place in Germany as well and an eventual turkish candidate here gets voted for his concepts, not his cultural background, however debateable that is. Time will tell.

Until that is the case, take pleasure in the fact the world recogized the US progress in this and don't take it offensivly if ppl comment on it in a very positive way. A compliment is a compliment, no more, no less.

[The facts? Ok. The reality for me is that I am selling all my US investments and heading for Canada].

In the long-run, I really don't think that will do me much more good than sitting there in Germany will do you over there...but it's all really I CAN do, realistically.


CS

look, Germany, Europe and Russia have certain expiriences with each other. Yanno...for like over a thousand years already. We know each other quite well. And we pretty much know what to expect. That comes with history and living right next to each other. Russia is no danger currently. They may try to tinker around with energy exports and will try to expand their sphere of influence over to the Ukraine and other former soviet states. The balitcs are in danger as well and the rest of Europe has to make a clear commitment there. But everything beyond that is quite illusionary at the moment. Putin is no madman, he needs Europe for cash alone. And the russian military and economy is in no state to pose any life threatening danger to european independence anytime soon. If you are of another opinion or disagree, that is your right. I won't try to convince you if you made up your mind already.

[Christopher Snow]

... see next post

[Christopher Snow]

This is part of the orchastrated point that I have been making. Some very influencial people wanted this to happen. They had power enough to squelch all but one news media station (fox).

Ok, I'll disagree right off the bat with this.

FWIW, I spent the last month ghosting (guesting) a the "hillaryclintonforum.net", where I learned a LOT of things. Those PUMA's were all passionate about HRC. And yet....

....sqelching of any of the media was a complete NON issue (in fact, the general complaint was "why can't we shut down MSNBC?", etc, or "why can't we shut down Huffpo (the Huffington Post?)"

The ONLY positive suggestion I ever heard in this regard was "well....just boycott them.!"

Usually something done on the part of individual memembers only, and not as part of an organized effort (in fact, I cannot think of even ONE organized effort.)


Squelch others in Washington and specifically squelching Hillary Clinton. Let's face it, she was not the stalwart Obama supported she said she would be. What, two stump speechs after his nomination. This election seemed very contrived. As I have stated before, we knew more about Joe the Plumber in under two weeks than we did about Obama in two years. If you look at the squelching of everything about Obama, it is utterly amazing how the glazing over took place with the media. Personally, I blame the media for poor coverage and accurate reporting concerning Obama. The election was almost to perfect. In hindsight, Obama's campaign would probably screamed racism if the media went after him like others who ran for president. Just another bye for Obama.

I suggest Brag write a book on what looks to me like a conspiracy.[/quote]


I would beg to differ as regards the perception of HRC in that same forum. In fact there were a couple of threads offered up after election was clinched which went: This might get me banned (from the forum) but I'm ANGRY with Hillary and Bill for supporting him (Obama).

By their count HRC gave 67 (I think) speeches for BHO, while Bill gave 41.

I'm not kidding.

I was never anything more than a guest in that forum, but I'm quite sure this is true.

My numbers are at least close if not exact. So I suggest you check them there before writing that book (lest either of you be sued for malfeasance).

The HRCF, btw, were strong for McCain/Palin, but were also very disgusted with the MSM.

They did agree that the MSM was generally unfair in its' reporting, btw.

So maybe we ALL have that in common.


CS