Germany bans Cruise film shoot

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Your right kiwi, plus I can see your righteous anger ...

I don't have time to waste on that link even if it was up ... fiction is fiction, science is science.
Ron Hubbard put them both together ...

definition of science

the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding;

definition of fiction

something invented by the imagination or feigned;

What about?

Kurt Vonnegut
Ray Bradbury
Frank Herbert
Thomas Pynchon
Phillip K Dick
Robert Heinlein

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Heibges

What about?

Kurt Vonnegut
Ray Bradbury
Frank Herbert
Thomas Pynchon
Phillip K Dick
Robert Heinlein

I'm sorry, I had just woke up here on the west coast when I posted that ...

I meant to include the dirty word religion.

definition of religion

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

Hinduism
Buddaism
Muslimism
Christianism
Judaism

"Religion is just an organized disciplined way to serve God"
"The only problem is, we don't all have the same God"
Author unknown

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by geetrue

I'm sorry, I had just woke up here on the west coast when I posted that ...

I meant to include the dirty word religion.

definition of religion

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

Hinduism
Buddaism
Muslimism
Christianism
Judaism

"Religion is just an organized disciplined way to serve God"
"The only problem is, we don't all have the same God"
Author unknown

I try to be openminded, but I admit I see little difference between the Scientologists, the Unificationists (Moonies), and the Peoples Temple that started here in San Francisco.

[Smaragdadler]

Scientology is a fraud right from it's very basic roots. It's founder was paid - and his organisation still is controlled - by us intelligence circles.
I will give no sources for the second statement but a hint about the first...

--> http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/crowley3.htm

[August]

Originally Posted by Smaragdadler

Scientology is a fraud right from it's very basic roots. It's founder was paid - and his organisation still is controlled - by us intelligence circles.
I will give no sources for the second statement but a hint about the first...

--> http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/crowley3.htm

Well I think you're the paid agent of spy circles. I will not give my sources though...

[Chock]

Here's a link for sources, you might find it useful if you ever want to make unsubstantiated statements and then quote a source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauce

Chock

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

Sky, like I said your country your business, but don't try to justify your countries persecution of yet another subset of people because it won't wash.

An actor is not a teacher or a government official so I fail to see how Germany can justify their claim that Tom Cruise *the individual* is guilty of "threatening or trying to act against the basic constitional order of the state" just by acting in a movie.

You know that it is not as simplistic as you try to paint it.

[SUBMAN1]

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_at.html

"[...] 23. In these various Scientology posts, I observed how the inner most parts of Scientology worked. I observed, participated in and was victimized by coercive and manipulative thought control processes designed to shape the thinking of the individuals upon whom these procedures were imposed. These practices are particularly prevalent in the Rehabilitation Project Force ('RPF') , a brainwashing and penal operation very similar to what I had been trained to expect from the Viet Cong, North Vietnamese and Red Chinese during my tour of duty in Vietnam.

"24. I knew L. Ron Hubbard ("Hubbard") personally. I worked directly for Hubbard, the founder of the Scientology belief system. Hubbard was Miscavige's predecessor as head of Scientology."

Seems a threat to any government. I particulary like this part:

INSTRUCTIONS TO CAUSE SUICIDE

45. I received instructions directly from Ray Mithoff to use the Hubbard Tech of thought reform to drive Tom Ashworth to a psychotic break. The express object of the exercise was to drive Tom crazy and to commit suicide. Tom went PTS Type III and attempted suicide. Later, Tom escaped from RPF and was caught, brought back against his will, isolated with 2 guards and more thought processes were used on him to calm him down rather than have him kill himself.

46. I also saw and heard the Hubbard Tech of thought reform used to drive Gary Epstein to a PTS Type III psychotic break as punishment for his refusal to comply with orders he received from the Wayne Marple mission.


47. I saw these same techniques used on persons who had not violated any Scientology laws or requirements. The techniques were used to compel persons to go up the Scientology Bridge to total freedom. Advancing up the Bridge requires attending courses and auditing or processing. Both the courses and auditing becomes more expensive the further up the Bridge a Scientologist goes. So, these thought reform techniques are callously employed to generate ever increasing sums of income for Scientology.

Or how about what Scientology won't tell you?
http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/

I can go on all day about the abuses of this cult, but the point is that they are a major danger to any government and I think any cult that is on the FBI's crime syndicate watch list is one that should be not taken lightly. Any key representative from this organization should be able to have their visa denied as well.

Just my 2 cents.

-S

[Smaragdadler]

Originally Posted by August

Well I think ...

You are free to think, what you will.
Scientology would not let you, if they could.
That's the point.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Smaragdadler

You are free to think, what you will.
Scientology would not let you, if they could.
That's the point.

Shortness, yet precision - a virtue I lack!

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Shortness, yet precision - a virtue I lack!

A good start.

[Heibges]

Firstly, I've been organizing a similar campaign to get Nicholas Cage banned from movies althogether, but on the grounds of rampant overacting rather than being a Scientologist.

Secondly, I didn't know von Stauffenberg was 4' 5".

[Chock]

I'm personally waiting for Tom to go the 'method acting route' and have several amputations in order to get into the role, although this is going to make life hard for him, as he already can't act either with or without one hand tied behind his back. As evidenced by his 'Oirish' accent in Far and Away, so gawd alone knows what kind of a travesty attempting to play a German is going to result in.

Chock

[August]

Originally Posted by Smaragdadler

You are free to think, what you will.
Scientology would not let you, if they could.
That's the point.

I didn't say I wanted to join them.

The question I was addressing is whether a person from a politically unpopular (but not illegal) group or religion should be denied the right to work in a private sector job.

It doesn't have to be Scientologists, any unpopular social or ethnic group will do. For example substitute the word "Scientologist" for "Communist" in any of the anti diatrabes in this thread including yours above and they look like Joe MaCarthy speeches.

But like i've said 3-4 times already, It's the Germans country, therefore a German decision.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by August

I didn't say I wanted to join them.

The question I was addressing is whether a person from a politically unpopular (but not illegal) group or religion should be denied the right to work in a private sector job.

It doesn't have to be Scientologists, any unpopular social or ethnic group will do. For example substitute the word "Scientologist" for "Communist" in any of the anti diatrabes in this thread including yours above and they look like Joe MaCarthy speeches.

But like i've said 3-4 times already, It's the Germans country, therefore a German decision.

He is not being denied the right to work, nor is he being denied the right to enter Germany. The production company will just have to shoot at a different location.