Russia blames US in missile row

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by dean_acheson

And everybody lived happily ever after.....:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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[CCIP]

I think Putin nailed it on the head there. Don't go telling me Azerbaidjan isn't better-positioned than the Czech Republic against these threats!

Originally Posted by CCIP

I think Putin nailed it on the head there. Don't go telling me Azerbaidjan isn't better-positioned than the Czech Republic against these threats!

Certainly in a better position to protect the Russians. Europe will get the short end of this. But they didn't want it anyway, so as dean said 'happily ever after'.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Certainly in a better position to protect the Russians. Europe will get the short end of this. But they didn't want it anyway, so as dean said 'happily ever after'.

Depends from who. From Iran, certainly in better position, especially give how Azerbaidzhan is on the Iranian border.

And come on, this is a perfect chance to give Ahmadinejad a new reason to worry. I would entirely support this one.

Originally Posted by CCIP

Depends from who. From Iran, certainly in better position, especially give how Azerbaidzhan is on the Iranian border.

And come on, this is a perfect chance to give Ahmadinejad a new reason to worry. I would entirely support this one.

Don't get me wrong CCIP, I have no problem, in principle, with placing the system in Azerbaidjan. But I suspect the EU gov'ts will be asking for something similar soon now that they open their eyes to how vulnerable they are.

Suddenly their last resort and punching bag may not be there to protect them.

EDIT: Azerbaidzhan is probably too close to Iran to ever be of much value however. The system has to have a few moments to track the missle before it can engage it with any certainty. Boost phase is easily detectable but determining what its ultimate heading is requires some time. Make Europe all that more vulnerable. Schadenfreuda

[Oberon]

Wasn't there talk of using this system on ships in the Med? Or hell, Greece or Italy would be the better place, as far southwest in the EU as you can get without hitting Russian soil.

Still...like a friend of mine at work said (and he's from the Czech republic) "My country has always been somebodies bitch, first we were Russias bitch, and now we are Americas."

:hmm:

[dean_acheson]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070608/D8PKN4J00.html

short update

[dean_acheson]

http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...ype=RSS&rpc=22

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by CCIP

I think Putin nailed it on the head there. Don't go telling me Azerbaidjan isn't better-positioned than the Czech Republic against these threats!

The reason Azerbaidjan is better "Positioning" is because there already a ABM Radar there.

...wait why is there already a ABM Radar in Azerbaidjan? Oh thats right its part of Russia's ABM system from the 80's! The one we let Russia built to defend Moscow on the grounds that we could build one to defend NORAD. Which we never did...

IMHO we should slap a big Phased Array Radar on an old CVN (I think Enterprise will be retired soon.) Send one out in the Indian Ocean, another to the SOJ, and another to the Med and put all our ABM missiles on old SSBNs. The Ocean if free to all so no basing deals with other countries. Isn't that such a Republican thing to do? Don't make deals with other Countries do what you want! So why isn't this being done? Oh right Bush Jr. was an Air Force Puke... (No offense to all the fine upstanding former AFPs here on Subsim.)

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Oberon

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[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The reason Azerbaidjan is better "Positioning" is because there already a ABM Radar there.

...wait why is there already a ABM Radar in Azerbaidjan? Oh thats right its part of Russia's ABM system from the 80's! The one we let Russia built to defend Moscow on the grounds that we could build one to defend NORAD. Which we never did...

IMHO we should slap a big Phased Array Radar on an old CVN (I think Enterprise will be retired soon.) Send one out in the Indian Ocean, another to the SOJ, and another to the Med and put all our ABM missiles on old SSBNs. The Ocean if free to all so no basing deals with other countries. Isn't that such a Republican thing to do? Don't make deals with other Countries do what you want! So why isn't this being done? Oh right Bush Jr. was an Air Force Puke... (No offense to all the fine upstanding former AFPs here on Subsim.)

Former SSBN's? Pretty poor launch platform, esepcially considering SM-3 is already there and paid for. Converted carriers into big radar ships? Right...

Oh, and I would hardly give GWB the honor of being called an Air Force Puke, but that's for a different thread.

PD

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Former SSBN's? Pretty poor launch platform, esepcially considering SM-3 is already there and paid for.

How? the SSGNs have been modified to launch Tomhawks so launching SM-3s is within the realm of reality and budget constraits. If we end up dealing the a country like Russia or China that has lots of territory and can move its ICBM force around its possable that that country could move their ICBM force to areas where 1st and 2nd stage interception is less likely. Convert SSBNs and they gain the same advantage as the ones carring SLBMs- potental enemyies don't know where they are. Plus it greatly decreses the odds of having SM-3 DDGs taken out by submarines or airstrikes in the early stages of a conflict, those Ohios are damn hard to find after all. Also it adds the possablity of arming NATO and allied SSBNs with ABM systems, remember that France and the UK have a SSBN force with the RNs boats having almost the same system as US SSBNs (both have Trident) making converson easyer. Very few NATO countries have ships with VLS systems (Spain is one that comes to mind) unless the SM-3 has been modified to fire from One Armed Bandits (MK 13s).

Converted carriers into big radar ships? Right...

Why not they took the Iwo Jima class hull design and turned it in to a pair of anphib command ships (Blue Ridge Class). Besides that big radar platform that was designed to operated off Alaska is a pile of junk that can't stand up to the operating envorment. A CV Hull gives both the space and the speed to operate where needed.

Oh, and I would hardly give GWB the honor of being called an Air Force Puke, but that's for a different thread.

PD

Agreed, but a more apt discription would just end up coming out like %$#& ##%$ @#%$!!!

[The Avon Lady]

Lengthy but very interesting article, discussing Estonian/Russian history and concluding with relevance to the missile placement row:

Erratics in Estonia.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Lengthy but very interesting article, discussing Estonian/Russian history and concluding with relevance to the missile placement row:

Erratics in Estonia.

He has seen the light.

[Happy Times]

Its funny how most people that use common sense and get these things, come from North America. Most Europeans are either stupid or scared and kiss the ruskies ass as much as they can. Im happy we have a new goverment that wants good relations with USA. The weakness of NATO and EU is clear, some members cant be trusted if Russia is on the otherside of the table.