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A scientific study showed that in the past years cogarette companies increased the level of nicotine by around 15%, if I remember the value correctly. The sudy was able to give undoubtly evidence that comanies were lieyng when claiming that this was due to natural fluctuation of a natural product, but was being raised intentionally, artifically. The newest reseacrh on passive smoking comes from European institutions and is less than one year old. Beyond that, simple logic dictates to reject a statement that when breathing in the stuff a smoker breathes out, this means that the toxic agents meanwhile have dissapeared into nothing. And you still breathe it in hours after the cigarette has been consumed. for the most, smoking is learned by social examples, and before the age of 18-20. After that age, not even 20% of those who were vulnerable to it will become addicted. The industry must turn young people into addicts before they reach that age, beyond that age, 80% of the potential addicts are lost for them. That is long-known data, btw. Hayfever for me, too, joea. Let's suffer together . Mind if I spend you a virtual Dalwhinnie, 15 years?
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Btw that quote is from TheSatyr not me....
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I hope they receive that support they need in order to deal with health problems that they suffer from without massively being responsible for it. Things that are caused by aging, usual desease, accidents. All that is fine. But if they suffer lunge cancer and have been smoking, maybe even refuse to stop smoking and start a therpay after the surgeon took away their lunge, I do not see any reason why it is a disgrace that they are expected to pay for all that themselves. If you cause a traffic accident, your insurance will pay. but only when it is clear that you did not intentionally cause tha accident. In the example with your parents, it was them making the decision to smoke, not anybody else. And today nobody can claim anymore that he does not have intellectual understanding of smoking being hazardous to one's health. Quote:
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You give me very much the feeling that we talk in circles now, and so please understand that I leave it to this, I see no need to endlessly repeat myself. I have said anything on the issue I have to say. Love it or leave it. Nothing personal, nichts für ungut! ![]()
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Well if that is what you want Skybird... really, I should have walked out of this discussion with you the moment you told me I was going to die a slow painful death kind of unnecessary and rather morbid even if meant as a joke, but, there we are...
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Im involved with what some insurance companies class as a dangerous sport (scuba diving), i pay a large amount per year in insurance for myself and 3rd party. If things go wrong, i can only blame myself and im not affecting the health of other people sat around me minding their own business. Sports and smoking health issues just aren't comparable. |
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Here is an interesting situation, today I was waiting at the checkout then these three folk stood behind me smelling of cigarette smoke and I mean they really stank and made me feel ill, I should had excised my human rights and had them ejected from the shop.
No I have not gone made, read on. Last year a employee came into work smelling of smoke and a complaint was lodge by fellow employee's which resulted in this person being sacked for smoking in there own home and coming to work smelling of cigarettes, that sacked person took the case to the EU courts and lost. The point is this do we non smoker's have the rights to take smoker's to court?
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yeah probably you do... what most non-smokers seem to forget is, all smokers were non-smokers once upon a time. And since some non-smokers are happy to treat smokers like second class citizens then I am not surprised.
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For once the EU court made a sane ruling it seems. Nobody cares what you do in your own home provided what you do stays there. Heavy smoking stinks on a person for ages, its no different to getting drunk at home the night before and turning up to work stinking of vodka.
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Its not fair at all. Taking someone to court because they smell of smoke. Maybe I should take my next door neighbour to court becuase he stink of BO, is that fair too?
Its a vast difference, smelling of smoke does not impair your peformance or standard of work, stinking of booze does becuase you are probably tired, not with it, and very hung over. There is a huge difference between smelling of smoke and smelling of alcohol. The EU court yet again has made a joke of things. Nothing sane there. Well, I'm off to have a cigar now as its saturday. I will be sure to consider everything you said gnirtS... I will also consider how anybody could support Iran when they have 15 sailors in thier captivity. |
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