Bush claims authority to open Americans' mail

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

The way i read it, its no biggie - i presume it will only be used when there is good reason. Besides, like people have said, if you got nothing to hide...

After all, it was the yanks who voted in bush - and the best part is, in a year or two you can vote him out again!

It's not a biggie .... It's just a biggie if it is abused. I don't believe for a moment that the FBI or CIA or ATF or whatever 3 letter fed agency is gonna come kicking in someones door with out reason.

Now if you start hanging with the local "Rag Head Club" and buying lots of stuff that you normally would not buy and talking about how everyone should die if they are not Muslim ... Yeah ... then I think you could expect a visit a nice one at first but the second (if there is a 2nd time)time would be nasty for sure...

Again I reiterate If your doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.

Unless your one of them people who believe there is no wrong or right just what you feel is best...then you can justify everything and live a happy and content life.

BTW President Bush will have to leave office... So we can elect a President who will lead us further into so called "World Peace" just to be denied such by placating the very people who seek to bring America down

[dean_acheson]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Theres that constant intimation that we're fighting for our very survival. That cause someone got through the perimeter and made a of a mess in New York that somehow that's the same as Fascism in Europe and the Japanese in Asia. I don't mean to minimize 9/11 but frankly I find it offensive to the memory of WW2 to try and say that we're even in the same ball park.

Well, for all that matter, what difference did it make to us Americans if Hitler kept all of Europe and just killed a few Jews and Homosexuals? I mean, WWII wasn't our fight, and we shouldn't have been in the Phillipines or Hawaii anyway, since those were just symbols of evil western imperialism....

For God's sake, this is Western Civilization and all that I hold dear we are talking about. We are at war with the new Fascism, Islamic Fascism, and instead of just killing Jews and Homosexuals and Gypsies (sp), all of us who don't put our women in Burkas and/or pray three times a day in loud chants facing some hole in the desert called Mecca are considered infidels and get either to convert or face the sharp end of the stick.

If you think that mail wasn't opened in any of America's conflicts with other powers, you have to be slightly off your rocker. Most of the faux Constituional Rights that individuals on the left (since BushCo. took power, and that would have been just fine under Clinton) wring their hands about are simply creations of those great years of the Warren Court.

I'm not sure what all this talk about the forth amendment is about, mine reads:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
To me that doesn't have a bloody thing to do with taking a piece of mail to a government office and asking the government to carry it to a different place in this country, or to another country, and having someone else open it.

Does junk mail to my house have constitutional protection?

Come on, that is insane. This reading of the Bill of Rights is really off tack. Now, if unlimited searches a seizures of privately owned automobiles, or my guns, or letters that I was writing in my house was ok'ed, then I would have a problem. But that is why we have a judical branch of the government, which was, the last time I checked, a very adaquate check on the power of the executive AND the legislative, who scare me just as much as anyone else.

Whew! that was a rant. Sorry.

[GSpector]

Hello All,

I for one am not to thrilled about this signing.

I do not have a problem with the quantity of Bills signed by President Bush, only the quality of what he's signing.

Since the U.S. Constitution was writen for the purpose of protecting the U.S. Citizens, I see this as another step in chipping away at what we have in this Country that makes it different then any other.

Now, if the Government wants to read mail sent to, or from anyone NOT a U.S. Citizen, then I don't see how the Constitution can protect them. Having a Visa to visit this Country is not and should not be concidered a FREE PASS.

As for having Papers to cross from State to State, it was Mrs Clinton that wanted a National ID Card. I always thought my State ID or State Drivers licence was good enough for me. Now why this 1st Lady (at the time) had any business in any policy making above any other Citizen is above me and should never have been allowed to be present in the meetings.

I think it would be interesting (maybe scary) to take the Constitution to Congress and compare it to the current laws and see just how it would stand up. I would think we would at that time see just how much of it was whittled away.

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Originally Posted by GSpector

Hello All,

I for one am not to thrilled about this signing.

I do not have a problem with the quantity of Bills signed by President Bush, only the quality of what he's signing.

Since the U.S. Constitution was writen for the purpose of protecting the U.S. Citizens, I see this as another step in chipping away at what we have in this Country that makes it different then any other.

Now, if the Government wants to read mail sent to, or from anyone NOT a U.S. Citizen, then I don't see how the Constitution can protect them. Having a Visa to visit this Country is not and should not be concidered a FREE PASS.

As for having Papers to cross from State to State, it was Mrs Clinton that wanted a National ID Card. I always thought my State ID or State Drivers licence was good enough for me. Now why this 1st Lady (at the time) had any business in any policy making above any other Citizen is above me and should never have been allowed to be present in the meetings.

I think it would be interesting (maybe scary) to take the Constitution to Congress and compare it to the current laws and see just how it would stand up. I would think we would at that time see just how much of it was whittled away.

Hello GSpector nice to have ya aboard.

Please don't get me started again about the Clintons... It has been a horrible disgrace to my country... and may be for sometime to come... after President Clinton and her husband left office, I thought it would be all over but NNOOOOOoooo.........

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sorry

Hello anyway GSpector

[geetrue]

This is a true statement and gives the right tools to the right people ...

nightdagger

I dunno, it's kind of hard to explain. And in any case, they may not read the mail to prevent a terrorist attack. They may find someone who they know is a terrorist and monitor him/her to find more terrorists without tipping all of them off. In that case, a warrant, and therefore the 4th amendment, could be a hinderance because the hypothetical terrorist could find out that he/she is being watched and avoid incriminating anyone in the same terror cell.

I don't want my FBI to be frustrated ...

If your worried about personal freedoms do a google search on the one billion dollars that was spent of our tax dollars to change the constitution of the United States in a time of calamity ...

I have the book around here somewhere and if I to ... I'll find it ... Of course this will only happen if America is in a sad state of affairs, but maybe that's why it's now a law.

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