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danlisa · 10-31-06, 06:12 PM

Why is it Human Nature to concentrate on negatives?

Potoroo · 10-31-06, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

As many times as ive reinstalled SH3 over the last couple weeks, i honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Some of us have better things to do than unnecessarily reinstalling SH3. It's completely avoidable in this instance.

Kpt. Lehmann · 10-31-06, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

As many times as ive reinstalled SH3 over the last couple weeks, i honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Exactly. A bunch of nuthin' over its default installation path.

Ducimus · 10-31-06, 06:17 PM

It's not like reinstalling a program takes a herculean effort.

It's also not that hard to have a duel install incase something scews up. If you were serious about it, you could have SH3:stock, SH3:gwx, and Sh3:NYGM all on the same drive with each one runing as an entirely different and independant game if you wanted to. Assuming one has the drive space that is. Most ill have is two installs personnaly, but thats primarly for modding reasons.

Kpt. Lehmann · 10-31-06, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Potoroo

Some of us have better things to do than unnecessarily reinstalling SH3. It's completely avoidable in this instance.

Some of us have better things to do than answer the same question on the same thread over and over again too.

Any mod gets complaints. Ours is no different. It is no-nonsense simple math to know that the more users you have... the more complaints you have.

You have stated your opinion and queried regarding your concern. I have addressed your concern clearly.

Further repetitive non-constructive posts from you regarding this issue can be viewed as trolling and/or baiting.

Potoroo · 10-31-06, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

It's also not that hard to have a duel install incase something scews up. If you were serious about it, you could have SH3:stock, SH3:gwx, and Sh3:NYGM all on the same drive with each one runing as an entirely different and independant game if you wanted to. Assuming one has the drive space that is. Most ill have is two installs personnaly, but thats primarly for modding reasons.

I do precisely that (indeed, that was the very reason I wrote MultiSH3). In a world where a 250GB SATA II drive goes for around US$75, SH3 1.4b uses around 2.44GB so space shouldn't be an issue. My argument is that the autoinstall process as described will unnecessarily interfere with just that sort of configuration. If it were not for the fact of so many people running multiple installations there would be no issue over the installation path. Given the number of supermods it's presumptuous, to say the least, for any one of them to presume it can take over the default path.

I'm hoping Jaesen will get back and inform us that the installer does not in fact work as described. Since there's no sound reason for GWX not to have its cake and eat it too I doubt he'll have implemented something so stupid.

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Some of us have better things to do than answer the same question on the same thread over and over again too.

The post to which you responded was in response to someone other than yourself, so there was no requirement for you to respond.

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Further repetitive non-constructive posts from you regarding this issue can be viewed as trolling and/or baiting.

My posts have been entirely constructive. I've shown how you can improve a bad design decision, thus satisfying both your stated aim and your users. The fact you don't agree with me in no way makes that non-constructive.

stabiz · 10-31-06, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Potoroo

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

I understood exactly what you said Potoroo. What you are voicing is your opinion.

My professional opinion, yes.

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Our decision is made.

I understand that, but when it blows up and the complaints start coming in it'll be on the record that you were warned.

Uhm ...

Going postal, potoroo?

Potoroo · 10-31-06, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

Uhm ...

Going postal, potoroo?

I no longer own a gun so you can relax.

Kpt. Lehmann · 10-31-06, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Potoroo

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

It's also not that hard to have a duel install incase something scews up. If you were serious about it, you could have SH3:stock, SH3:gwx, and Sh3:NYGM all on the same drive with each one runing as an entirely different and independant game if you wanted to. Assuming one has the drive space that is. Most ill have is two installs personnaly, but thats primarly for modding reasons.

I do precisely that (indeed, that was the very reason I wrote MultiSH3). In a world where a 250GB SATA II drive goes for around US$75, SH3 1.4b uses around 2.44GB so space shouldn't be an issue. My argument is that the autoinstall process as described will unnecessarily interfere with just that sort of configuration. If it were not for the fact of so many people running multiple installations there would be no issue over the installation path. Given the number of supermods it's presumptuous, to say the least, for any one of them to presume it can take over the default path.

I'm hoping Jaesen will get back and inform us that the installer does not in fact work as described. Since there's no sound reason for GWX not to have its cake and eat it too I doubt he'll have implemented something so stupid.

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Some of us have better things to do than answer the same question on the same thread over and over again too.

The post to which you responded was in response to someone other than yourself, so there was no requirement for you to respond.

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Further repetitive non-constructive posts from you regarding this issue can be viewed as trolling and/or baiting.

My posts have been entirely constructive. I've shown how you can improve a bad design decision, thus satisfying both your stated aim and your users. The fact you don't agree with me in no way makes that non-constructive.

Again, for having our "stupid" default installation path be the usual / normal SH3 default path... There is no issue.

Secondly, if you were so concerned about our welfare and feel that we are making a mistake you have means to handle this in private.

Thirdly, JScones and I have been in close conversation regarding this matter for several days. I typically go with his suggestions. I view him as the expert on this matter.

Fourthly, even if you go around me directly to Jaeson and protest our methods. He is courteous enough to cuss and discuss issues with me afterwards in private...
...you won't see him trashing an informative thread over a personal interest.

Finally, part of being a project manager is making tough decisions. If I were screwing it up so royally... We wouldn't have come this far.

WilhelmSchulz. · 10-31-06, 07:16 PM

Quit bikering about this auto install. It Kpt. Lehmann wants to use one he can.

Potoroo · 10-31-06, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Again, for having our "stupid" default installation path be the usual / normal SH3 default path... There is no issue.

If it is only a default and if that default can be changed by the user according to need then there indeed is no issue but that is not how the autoinstaller has been described. The issue is not the default. It's standard practice for installers to assume a default installation path. It's also standard practice that the installation path can be changed if the user chooses. If the autoinstaller in fact follows these standard practices then it has been misdescribed and all this argument has been unnecessary.

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Fourthly, even if you go around me directly to Jaeson and protest our methods. He is courteous enough to cuss and discuss issues with me afterwards in private...
...you won't see him trashing an informative thread over a personal interest.

I didn't say I expected him to trash anything. I did say I hoped he would inform us we had been misinformed about how the autoinstaller works. I've also dealt with him and he was helpful and cooperative when we were sorting out compatibility issues between SH3 Commander and MultiSH3. He and I are both professional programmers so I would expect him to understand the issues. That's why I have difficulty understanding why he would have implemented the autoinstaller the way you describe it.

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Finally, part of being a project manager is making tough decisions. If I were screwing it up so royally... We wouldn't have come this far.

We're talking about one thing only.

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Originally Posted by WilhelmShulz

Quit bikering about this auto install. It Kpt. Lehmann wants to use one he can.

No-one has said he can't.

Kpt. Lehmann · 10-31-06, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Potoroo

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Again, for having our "stupid" default installation path be the usual / normal SH3 default path... There is no issue.

If it is only a default and if that default can be changed by the user according to need then there indeed is no issue but that is not how the autoinstaller has been described. The issue is not the default. It's standard practice for installers to assume a default installation path. It's also standard practice that the installation path can be changed if the user chooses. If the autoinstaller in fact follows these standard practices then it has been misdescribed and all this argument has been unnecessary.

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Fourthly, even if you go around me directly to Jaeson and protest our methods. He is courteous enough to cuss and discuss issues with me afterwards in private...
...you won't see him trashing an informative thread over a personal interest.

I didn't say I expected him to trash anything. I did say I hoped he would inform us we had been misinformed about how the autoinstaller works. I've also dealt with him and he was helpful and cooperative when we were sorting out compatibility issues between SH3 Commander and MultiSH3. He and I are both professional programmers so I would expect him to understand the issues. That's why I have difficulty understanding why he would have implemented the autoinstaller the way you describe it.

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Finally, part of being a project manager is making tough decisions. If I were screwing it up so royally... We wouldn't have come this far.

We're talking about one thing only.

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Originally Posted by WilhelmShulz

Quit bikering about this auto install. It Kpt. Lehmann wants to use one he can.

No-one has said he can't.

I also listen to what people don't say. You are bothered that we aren't giving you a simple way to de-construct the mod package per your post on page one or two.

Your first post on this thread:

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Originally Posted by Potoroo

Does the auto-installer at least give you the option of choosing the installation folder you want to use? If it doesn't that's a major design flaw. Having it doesn't impede the install-and-play user but it does unnecessarily impede the modder.

Allowing for a user to have a convenient place to dump the GWX files for the sake of picking and choosing does not concern us.

Ducimus · 10-31-06, 07:31 PM

bigboywooly · 10-31-06, 07:31 PM

Dear god just STFU
When you have the auto installer in front of you and you dont like it by all means voice your opinion
Till then quit moaning about what may and may not suit YOUR preference

Its quite simple really

And IF it does come with only one installation path and you dont like it then dont use it

Again - quite simple really

Kpt. Lehmann · 10-31-06, 07:35 PM

Thank you BBW.

Now we've come full circle... and I have to get ready for my real life work.

LOL. The fun never stops.

10-31-06, 06:12 PM	#61
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	Why is it Human Nature to concentrate on negatives? __________________

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WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Quit bikering about this auto install. It Kpt. Lehmann wants to use one he can. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

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bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Dear god just STFU When you have the auto installer in front of you and you dont like it by all means voice your opinion Till then quit moaning about what may and may not suit YOUR preference Its quite simple really And IF it does come with only one installation path and you dont like it then dont use it Again - quite simple really __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-31-06, 07:35 PM	#75
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,994 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Thank you BBW. Now we've come full circle... and I have to get ready for my real life work. LOL. The fun never stops. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

10-31-06, 06:17 PM	#64
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	It's not like reinstalling a program takes a herculean effort. It's also not that hard to have a duel install incase something scews up. If you were serious about it, you could have SH3:stock, SH3:gwx, and Sh3:NYGM all on the same drive with each one runing as an entirely different and independant game if you wanted to. Assuming one has the drive space that is. Most ill have is two installs personnaly, but thats primarly for modding reasons.