Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine joining Nato 'would guarantee World War Three', says Russia

Ukraine joining Nato would mean "a guaranteed escalation" to a third world war, the deputy secretary of Russia's Security Council has said.

Alexander Venediktov, told the state TASS news agency in an interview on Thursday: "Kyiv is well aware that such a step would mean a guaranteed escalation to a World War Three.

"Apparently, that's what they are counting on – to create informational noise and draw attention to themselves once again."

Venediktov also repeated a Russian position that the West, by helping Ukraine, indicated that "they are a direct party to the conflict".

It comes after Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, announced a surprise bid for fast-track membership of the military alliance at the end of September.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...7bac2a81509268

[Jimbuna]

Russia's 'irrecoverable losses' hit '90,000' in Ukraine war as Putin's plan crumbles

Vladimir Putin has suffered another blow after it was claimed Russia's "irrecoverable losses" in the war with Ukraine have hit 90,000 as the tyrant's battle plan crumbles. The eye-watering figure has been reported by Russian breaking news service Meduza, which cites the original report from Russian media project iStories (or Vazhnye Istorii). It says one of two sources of the above information works in the Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB), while the other is a former state security officer.

Meduza wrote on Twitter: "Russia's 'irrecoverable losses' in the war with Ukraine have just become known: according to an FSB source, that figure is 90K.

"This includes troops who were killed, went missing, died from wounds, or were disabled and cannot return to military service."

Earlier today, the Ukrainian Defence Ministry posted its latest update on the "losses of Russian occupiers in Ukraine, from the start of the war on February 24.

It said there have so far been 63,380 "eliminated personnel", with thousands of tanks, artillery and armoured combat vehicles also destroyed in battle.

The latest 90,000 losses estimate is close to figures recently quoted by both the Pentagon in Washington and the British Ministry of Defence (MoD).

In August, the Pentagon estimated that between 70,000 and 80,000 Russian troops had been killed or critically wounded since the start of the war in Ukraine on February 24.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...fa738441c050b6

[Jimbuna]

If Russian Federation strikes Ukraine with nuclear weapons, EU will definitely respond, - Borrell

The European Union will definitely respond if Russia dares to launch a nuclear attack on Ukraine.

EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell said this during his participation in the European Diplomatic Academy, Censor.NET reports with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

"A nuclear attack on Ukraine will provoke a response from the EU, the USA, and NATO. It will not be nuclear, but its power from a military point of view will be great," Borrell stressed.

Earlier, French President Emmanuel Macron said that his country would not use nuclear weapons in the event of a Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3373494

[Jimbuna]

NATO already perceives Ukraine as eastern shield for whole of Europe, - Reznikov

Mass shelling by Russia brought the world’s support for Ukraine to a new level.

This was stated by Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"Ministers tell me - you have no idea what level of support we have for Ukraine now, it just goes "over the top" again, everyone tells us - you're going to Ramstein, - support Ukraine - that is, people demand it from them," he said.

Reznikov noted that the Russian aggressor is also a kind of "sponsor" of international solidarity with Ukraine - as soon as the emotional wave in Western countries regarding the events in Ukraine begins to calm down, the Russians "throw" some new atrocity.

This was the case after the terrible events in Buch and Izyum, and this was the case after the massive missile attack on the whole of Ukraine when 120 "Calibres", "Iskanders", "Shaheds" and everything else were fired in two days. According to the minister, these strikes brought the world's support for Ukraine to a new level.

"Yesterday, I heard speeches and in each speech - Oleksiyya, pass it on to the Ukrainians, we are proud of you, you inspire us, we are impressed, we thank you. And every time basic things are heard. The first is that you are waging a war not only for yourself but also for us and for the entire democratic world - and this is not pathos, these are the words of each of the ministers. The second thesis is that we assure you that we will be with you until the end, no matter how long it takes, in the short, medium, and long term," Reznikov said.

He said that during these meetings, the supply of necessary weapons systems to Ukraine was discussed, as well as the development of the industrial production of weapons, ammunition, and new systems that Ukraine needs.

"That is, they think six, eight, twelve months ahead - regardless of when this war ends with our victory, they understand that it will be necessary to strengthen the defense of Ukraine. They already understand my argument that Ukraine is an eastern shield for the whole of Europe," the Ukrainian minister said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3373486

[Jimbuna]

"There can be no diplomacy with Russia today," - Zelensky

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, during a speech before PACE deputies, said that he does not consider diplomacy with Russia possible under the current conditions.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the European Parliament.

"Diplomacy is the most powerful tool when weapons do not work. There can be no diplomacy with Russia today. There can be no such diplomacy as there was. There can be no respect for the leadership that kills, captures, does not respect international law," the head of state said.

The President emphasized that there cannot be such a situation when the leading European states and the world support the territorial integrity of Ukraine and isolate Russia, while "some states continue to talk as if nothing is happening."

"Therefore, it seems to me that today diplomatic isolation of Russia is an important pressure," Zelensky said, adding that Russians should know that this war is happening in Ukraine because of the leadership they elected. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3373456

[Jimbuna]

PACE recognized Russia as country with terrorist regime

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe adopted a resolution calling the Russian Federation a terrorist regime.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to European Pravda.

On October 13, at the autumn session of the PACE, a document entitled "Further Escalation of the Russian Federation's Aggression Against Ukraine" was presented. In particular, it states that Russia's aggression against Ukraine "must be unequivocally condemned as a crime in itself, as a violation of international law and as a major threat to international peace and security.

Also, an amendment was made to the resolution, which proposed to "declare the Russian Federation a terrorist regime." During the voting, 79 deputies supported it, two were against and one abstained. An amendment was also included in the resolution calling for air defense systems to be provided to Ukraine.

The resolution itself was adopted unanimously. 99 members of the deputies present in the hall voted for it, one abstained.

PACE became the first international organization to recognize Russia as a terrorist state. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3373506

[Skybird]

FOCUS writes:
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They are two of the most powerful men on this planet. Millions of people care about what they say and do. One sits in Russia, wages a war of aggression against Ukraine and is considered an unpredictable despot.

The other lives in Texas, runs Tesla and is the richest man on earth, with a total fortune of around $200 billion. These two men, Vladimir Putin and Elon Musk, are said to have spoken on the phone recently.

At least that's what the U.S. online magazine " Vice " reports with reference to Ian Bremmer, the head of the political consulting firm Eurasia Group. He claims in a newsletter that Musk told him Putin was "ready for negotiations."

The conversation with the Russian president reportedly took place before Musk shared his "peace plan" for Ukraine on Twitter on Oct. 3. A "peace plan" in which several proposals appear that coincide with the Kremlin's ideas.

These include Ukraine's renunciation of the Crimean peninsula annexed by Russia and a neutral status for the country. It was foreseeable that the contribution would provoke criticism.

Especially in Ukraine, the multi-billionaire's tweet did not go down well at all. "The only result is that no Ukrainian will ever buy your ****ing Tesla crap. **** off," rumbled Andrij Melnyk, still ambassador to Germany.

Presidential adviser Mychailo Podolyak put it more diplomatically, saying a "better peace plan" would be the liberation of all Ukrainian territories. Russia would then be completely demilitarized, would have to give up its nuclear weapons and "can no longer threaten anyone."

The Kremlin, on the other hand, welcomed Musk's proposal to end the war. Even if Moscow rejects real referendums in Russian-occupied territories, i.e., one of the core demands.

Musk, meanwhile, denies having coordinated with the Kremlin chief in advance. "I've only talked to Putin once, and that was 18 months ago," he wrote on Twitter. "It was about space travel." In another post, he warned against trusting Bremmer.

Who is telling the truth - Musk or political advisers - is unclear. But the "peace plan" was undoubtedly penned by the Tesla CEO. And regardless of whether he spoke to Putin on the phone beforehand or not, the proposals it contains coincide in many cases with the Kremlin's demands.

For many, it looks as if Musk wants to stab Ukraine in the back and suck up to Russia. After all, his "peace plan" clashes with Ukraine's goals of liberating its entire territory and slipping under the NATO umbrella.

It is also possible that the Tesla boss wants to prevent a nuclear war by any means necessary. In any case, he showed concern on Twitter. On Sunday, he wrote that the danger of a nuclear catastrophe is "rapidly" increasing.

"I lie awake all night thinking about how to de-escalate this war." Moscow had repeatedly threatened to use nuclear weapons in the past. Musk apparently takes this very seriously, wants to get involved geopolitically.

The heavily wealthy American has been involved in the Ukraine war for some time now anyway. A few days after the Russian invasion began, Musk made his Starlink satellites available to Ukraine.

The reason: Moscow had partially cut off the neighboring country from the Internet through a cyber attack. Musk's technology has since enabled Ukrainian soldiers to communicate securely in battle, control drones and send videos. Frontline fighters say without Starlink, the army would collapse in short order.

True, most of the 20,000 or so wearable receivers are paid for by the West. Still, Musk has control over the Starlink satellites. He can shut them down if he wants. And has thus become a central figure in the Ukraine war.

The consequences that can result if the satellite system fails were demonstrated a few days ago. After Ukraine reported major recaptures, there were disruptions on several front lines, including in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhya regions, according to a report in the Financial Times.

According to the report, the front line in the east of Kharkiv, Donetsk and Luhansk was also affected by the outages. A Ukrainian government official told the Financial Times that the Starlink problems resulted in a "catastrophic loss of communications."

Exactly why the outages occurred is still unclear. Some military bloggers suggested Musk had struck a deal with Putin, to Ukraine's detriment.

However, the fact that the satellites did not work may also have had completely different causes. For example, experts believe a technical malfunction is possible, or a cyberattack launched by the Russians against Starlink.

Neither SpaceX, Musk's spaceflight company behind Starlink, nor the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense have yet commented on the matter. And the Tesla boss himself has also remained silent. What happens on the battlefield is secret, he wrote on Twitter.
Musk is an entrepreneur, not a politician

In the end, Musk is an entrepreneur, not a politician. He says and does what he thinks is rational. How close his contact with Putin really is cannot be said with certainty. But there are certainly indications that speak against a pact.

What the debate about Musk's "peace plan" tweet ultimately also shows is that the Ukraine war is causing growing unrest among entrepreneurs.

Or as the "Magdeburger Volksstimme" comments, "The war in Eastern Europe is cutting into profits, and considerably so. That's why Musk's move will hardly be resented in business circles, even here in Germany, behind closed doors."
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[Jimbuna]

SSU is checking whether Antonov employees helped Russia to destroy Mriya

Employees of the Security Service of Ukraine, as part of a criminal investigation, are investigating employees of Antonov State Enterprise for alleged cooperation with Russia, which could have led to the destruction of the world’s largest An-225 Mriya aircraft at the beginning of a full-scale invasion.

As Censor.NET informs, this was reported by the Prosecutor General's Office in response to a request from Ukrinform.

"Prosecutors of the Specialized Prosecutor's Office in the military and defense sphere of the Office of the Prosecutor General carry out procedural management of pre-trial investigations in criminal proceedings on the fact that the officials of the State Enterprise "Antonov" may have provided assistance to a foreign state - the Russian Federation - or its representatives in carrying out subversive activities against Ukraine, which led to the destruction of the An-225 "Mriya" aircraft and others during the military aggression of the armed forces of the Russian Federation," the message reads.

It is noted that the case is being investigated by the Main Investigative Department of the SSU. Investigative actions are ongoing, a number of examinations have been conducted in the case.

In addition, the OGP informed that the employees of the Main Investigative Department of the National Police are also investigating the case of improper performance of their official duties by the officials of the State Enterprise "Antonov". In particular, the An-225 Mriya aircraft was not evacuated, which led to its destruction during the military aggression of the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

As reported at the end of February of this year, as a result of an air attack by Russian troops on the Hostomel airport near Kyiv, one of the largest and most powerful aircraft in the world, the Ukrainian-made An-225 "Mriya", was burned.

The commander of the An-225 "Mriya" Dmytro Antonov told "Glavkom" in an interview that the "Mriya" plane could have been saved. In particular, at the time of the invasion of the Russian Federation, DP Antonov had a reserve airfield leased for 5 years in Leipzig, Germany, a NATO airfield specifically for "Mriya". The crew of the liner was ready to take off from Hostomel to Germany in the morning of February 24 and even started the engines, but they never received the take-off command.

The commander of the aircraft emphasized that the pilots could not have taken the aircraft without the command team, but there was a lot of evidence that the aircraft from Hostomel needed to be moved as soon as possible.

At the end of March, DK "Ukroboronprom" suspended the director of SE "Antonov" Serhiy Bychkov.

On April 4, 2022, the head of the Ukroboronprom concern, Yuriy Husev, signed order No. 141, according to which Bychkov was finally dismissed from the position of general director of the Antonov state-owned enterprise. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3373585

[Jimbuna]

NATO will provide Ukraine with equipment to suppress drones, - Stoltenberg

NATO will soon supply Ukraine with systems to suppress the work of military drones.

This was stated by the Secretary General of the Alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, Censor.NET informs with reference to Interfax-Ukraine.

"We are providing fuel, winter uniforms and medicines as part of NATO's comprehensive aid package for Ukraine. Also, NATO will soon hand over anti-drone equipment to Ukraine," he said.

He assured that the supply of means against drones will allow Ukraine to protect its most important infrastructure.

He also stated that in the long term, the Alliance will help Ukraine transition from weapons developed by the USSR to modern weapons. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3373579

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[Jimbuna]

Reznikov: discussion on Ukraine’s accession to NATO has already begun

The Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Oleksiy Reznikov, states that the discussion on Ukraine’s accession to NATO has already begun.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Radio Liberty.

"The discussion has already begun... On the sidelines, I was very pleased to listen to the ministers, they say: "If we understand that Russia was identified as the main threat to NATO at the Madrid Summit - this is directly written in their statement, and today Ukraine is demonstrating to the whole world that it has the best expertise to oppose the Russian army, restrain it and already win - what additional arguments are needed regarding the acceptance of Ukraine into NATO? This is already weaving the fabric of the future decision," Reznikov said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3373588

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

New satellite images from Maxar Technologies taken Wednesday show only cars crossing the Kerch Bridge in Crimea because of the heat of the burning fuel rail care rail is molten (Steel only melts around 1500 degrees Celsius) concrete is also damaged. Concrete has low porosity and very fine pores. When the temperature of concrete exceeds 200 degrees Celsius, the water present begins to evaporate. But because concrete is so dense and impermeable, the steam released cannot escape. This causes the pressure to increase, and eventually the gases are released with a big bang. As the temperature increases, various chemical conversions take place in the cement brick, with the cement brick losing its cohesion.

[Dargo]

A second wave of mobilization seems to have begun in Russia. More and more reservists are being called up to fight in the so-called special military operation, as it should still be called. In some Russian regions, such as Rostov and Kursk, governors say they have been given new targets for the mobilization campaign. "The region has started the second phase," Russian news agency RIA Novosti quoted the governor of Kursk as saying. It has been in the air here for weeks that the "partial" mobilization will take place in three phases. The independent television channel Dozhd, among others, published audio recordings from military recruitment offices that would show that a second wave began on Oct. 10 and a third is coming in November. Kremlin spokesman Peskov refuted this. According to him, there is no such thing as "waves of mobilization," and "he has no idea what the regional governors are talking about.

Yet mobilization does seem to be happening on a larger scale, including in major cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg. This week, for example, there were raids on several mini-hotels and hostels in Moscow. Dozens of people were taken straight from dorm rooms to "mobilization offices" set up in theaters and cinemas, Radio Free Liberty writes. The boys, some of whom said they had no military experience, were given the call-up letter and a uniform in their hands and were required to report to their local registration office the next day. Many conscripts just decided to rent a room in a hostel to avoid military service. The idea is that they will then not be at their registration address to be picked up. Meanwhile, homeless people in Moscow are also being mobilized to join the fight. Subpoenas have been handed out at several shelters in the city, the independent iStories writes. Checks are also reportedly being carried out at metro stations in Moscow this week, where men on the street are being asked about their documents and military experience. And in St. Petersburg, doctors are "strongly advised" not to travel abroad for the time being. Medical personnel may also be sent to the front, according to the mobilization decree.

Since the beginning of the "partial mobilization," at least 14 reservists have died even before reaching the front. They died at Defense Ministry training centers. Authorities are very reluctant to comment on the incidents, putting the blame on the victims. Most are said to have died from a medical cause, such as thrombosis or a heart attack in their sleep. Some are also said to have committed suicide. Family members write on social media that they do not believe this. They cite poor conditions (cold, sleeping outside, home-brewed vodka) and violent riots as the cause of death. Also, this week, regional media published the first reports of newly mobilized reservists who died on the front lines. The first is human rights activist Pavel Chikov. He was reportedly killed in the Lugansk region. Today, media in the Urals write about the deaths of five mobilized reservists from Chelyabinsk. "We express our sincere and deep condolences. We will provide all necessary assistance to the families and friends of our fallen soldiers," local authorities said.

In recent weeks, there has been much open criticism of the chaotic mobilization in Russia. The army leadership has been accused of sending untrained men to the front, and there has been much outrage over the poor conditions for reservists. For example, their shelters are often filthy, they suffer from cold and boredom. There are also complaints about substandard medical facilities and the poor condition of the weapons they receive, such as rusty kalashnikovs. Hundreds of thousands of Russians have fled the mobilization. Kremlin spokesman Peskov responded to the civil unrest yesterday. He admitted that many Russians "noticed the mistakes made during the partial mobilization" and stressed that "measures are being taken to put the system in order."

https://nos.nl/artikel/2448248-mobil...p-gang-gekomen

[mapuc]

^ You know it would contradict what a friend wrote about the Russian army and it's might.

Not so long ago about an hour ago I read a long written issue on my friends wall on how good the Ruskies are and they wasn't run over-They withdraw in order.

While reading it I was thinking in inviting him to our forum and this thread.

I made the choice not to.

Markus