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Sledgehammer427 · 03-29-10, 11:35 PM

I said Salmon/Sargo class because I can't find a single pic of a Gato with the AA gun pedestal ahead of the tower, but almost every picture I find of a Salmon/Sargo class has one. That class also has the right shape conning tower (widens at the bottom, notice most Gato's were skinnier and pretty much perpendicular to the deck)

Okay, I'm done, perhaps we should create a thread in the main SH4 section to delve through pictures and critique classes and tower builds.

Zoomer96 · 03-30-10, 12:24 AM

Didn't mean to criticize.....Knew I'd seen the picture before and didn't think it was Seadragon. Sure would like to see a picture of the 'Pirate Submarine' though. In living color! Cool pictures of the Fleet Boats are getting really hard to find these days. I'm glad navsource.org exists to keep a record of them. I'm no expert but I sure like the way those old boats looked. beats the heck out of the U-boats imho!

Buddahaid · 03-30-10, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

I don't honestly know if a near miss (I'm sure you meant by depthcharge) could knock off paint. at least that much paint.

but there are a couple of oddities that I noticed in this picture.

1. notice the rudimentary spray deflector just under the deadlights? it looks like the boat came like that right off the ways. I never noticed that before, but I do remember reading that early war conning towers varied slightly but most experts could tell you which yard the boats were built just by taking a close look at the tower.

2. is that a water-cooled machine gun up there on the deck?!

3. look at that cable the sailor is holding onto. from the looks of it the cable isn't attached to a mast farther up the deck (like it is on my 1/72 Gato model) but, instead, maybe somewhere on the deck on either side (see the other cable, they aren't converging to a single point)

4. I'm led to believe it's salt water corrosion, because I don't think any other classes of boats were painted white, other than the V-boats, and judging by the picture, it could only be a Cachalot class, but since the fairwater has been cut down (also, the periscope shears are missing their plating,) I can use the railing to judge if it is and it's not.

So judging by that picture, you have either a
Sargo class
or possibly
a P-class.

after about 45 minutes of research I can't find a similar cabling configuration, though.

(wow, would you lookit that, I just went into a Fleet Boat dissertation over just a picture. History Channel, I'll be expecting your call)

This Perch photo seems to have the cabling.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0817606.jpg

Getting closer with Trout. Note the shape of the conning tower and bridge.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0820212.jpg

Sledgehammer427 · 03-30-10, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoomer96

I'm glad navsource.org exists to keep a record of them. I'm no expert but I sure like the way those old boats looked. beats the heck out of the U-boats imho!

not as much difference and variation in U-boats. Not like the fleet boats. when you click from a 1941 U-boat to a 1943 U boat, you see an added Flak Gun.

1941->1943 fleet boat...cut down fairwater, removed peri shear plating, removed forward deadlights and a flak gun deck added, up-gunning. there's just a lot there for a techni-junkie like me to pore over.

@Buddahaid, that pretty much looks the part, it's hard to tell though.

Buddahaid · 03-30-10, 01:12 AM

It does seem to be a Portsmouth style based on Trout, but I haven't found that photo yet in Navsource. Do you have a link?

Buddahaid · 03-30-10, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by keltos01

I installed RFB 2.0, then the RSRD campaign mod, then the Narwhal mod minus the campaign and flotillas files, then the RSRD patch.

SOL... no crew guess I'm gonna have to wait for the RFB patch...

I hope this setup will allow me to play RFB/RSRD... looks as though everything is there : twin guns, .50 Ma Deuce etc...

@ Jan Kyster : very nice picture !

keltos

No news but no crew as well using RFB/RSRDC. Otherwise, woohoo!

Zoomer96 · 03-30-10, 03:22 PM

Look under Fleet Submarines then scroll down to SS-237 USS Trigger

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0823712.jpg

I noticed that SS-228 USS Drum has a similar Antenna arrangement also. I'll bet when those radios were broadcasting those antennae would give you a jolt! Don't think I'd hang on it!

Buddahaid · 03-30-10, 03:42 PM

Well now I'm really confused as that picture is not there when I look at Trigger.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08237a.htm

Zoomer96 · 03-30-10, 03:49 PM

Sorry bout that! Okay when you go to the Trigger page, you'll see the Ship's logo (a triggerfish with a six shooter) Ship's Name & number and the Stars & Stripes. Under that there is a semophore/radio call sign for that boat and just under that it says: to additional pages. Click on Active Service-Loss and go down about halfway. Can't Miss it.

Buddahaid · 03-30-10, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoomer96

Sorry bout that! Okay when you go to the Trigger page, you'll see the Ship's logo (a triggerfish with a six shooter) Ship's Name & number and the Stars & Stripes. Under that there is a semophore/radio call sign for that boat and just under that it says: to additional pages. Click on Active Service-Loss and go down about halfway. Can't Miss it.

Duh, never noticed that before.

thanks

Jan Kyster · 03-30-10, 06:48 PM

In rough seas...

-----
"60 Years Ago I Was Rescued by a Submarine......."

Mary is either very, very small... Narwhal gun?...

See the story/tribute here: http://www.nasipitsite.com/ussnarwhall.htm

...and that's where I stole the images!

Thanks for the lectures above!

RFB Team · 03-30-10, 10:58 PM

I told you it was gonna be big:

Sledgehammer427 · 03-30-10, 11:39 PM

oh my

it must be almost ready!

LukeFF · 03-30-10, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

oh my

it must be almost ready!

I hope to have it ready for testing by the weekend. The big thing is getting everything merged with RFB and making sure it's all working like it should.

Get ready for 2-minute dives!

keltos01 · 03-31-10, 12:20 AM

big crew, big guns, compensating ?

03-29-10, 11:35 PM	#706
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	I said Salmon/Sargo class because I can't find a single pic of a Gato with the AA gun pedestal ahead of the tower, but almost every picture I find of a Salmon/Sargo class has one. That class also has the right shape conning tower (widens at the bottom, notice most Gato's were skinnier and pretty much perpendicular to the deck) Okay, I'm done, perhaps we should create a thread in the main SH4 section to delve through pictures and critique classes and tower builds. __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

03-30-10, 01:12 AM	#710
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,577 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	It does seem to be a Portsmouth style based on Trout, but I haven't found that photo yet in Navsource. Do you have a link? __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

03-30-10, 03:42 PM	#713
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,577 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Well now I'm really confused as that picture is not there when I look at Trigger. http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08237a.htm __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

03-30-10, 10:58 PM	#717
RFB Team SH4 Mod Team Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 165 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	RFB Crew Roster I told you it was gonna be big: __________________ Thanks for everyone's encouragement and support. The RFB team is an open group and our work is open to anyone. Although we have a separate forum for development and testing, it is not a private forum, so you can drop in and see what's going on or contribute. The forum is open to other developers that need a place to exchange ideas too. http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php...647a9120c08614

03-30-10, 11:39 PM	#718
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	oh my it must be almost ready! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

03-30-10, 12:24 AM	#707
Zoomer96 Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 106 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 0	Didn't mean to criticize.....Knew I'd seen the picture before and didn't think it was Seadragon. Sure would like to see a picture of the 'Pirate Submarine' though. In living color! Cool pictures of the Fleet Boats are getting really hard to find these days. I'm glad navsource.org exists to keep a record of them. I'm no expert but I sure like the way those old boats looked. beats the heck out of the U-boats imho!

03-30-10, 03:22 PM	#712
Zoomer96 Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 106 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 0	Look under Fleet Submarines then scroll down to SS-237 USS Trigger http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0823712.jpg I noticed that SS-228 USS Drum has a similar Antenna arrangement also. I'll bet when those radios were broadcasting those antennae would give you a jolt! Don't think I'd hang on it!

03-30-10, 03:49 PM	#714
Zoomer96 Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 106 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 0	Sorry bout that! Okay when you go to the Trigger page, you'll see the Ship's logo (a triggerfish with a six shooter) Ship's Name & number and the Stars & Stripes. Under that there is a semophore/radio call sign for that boat and just under that it says: to additional pages. Click on Active Service-Loss and go down about halfway. Can't Miss it.

03-30-10, 06:48 PM	#716
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	In rough seas... ----- "60 Years Ago I Was Rescued by a Submarine......." Mary is either very, very small... Narwhal gun?... See the story/tribute here: http://www.nasipitsite.com/ussnarwhall.htm ...and that's where I stole the images! Thanks for the lectures above!

03-31-10, 12:20 AM	#720
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	big crew, big guns, compensating ? __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"