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11-17-21, 09:14 AM | #706 |
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An American has the right to defend them self. Are the rules when it comes to this self defend the same as in many other countries like Denmark and Sweden.
Here it says you are allowed to use so much force needed to pacify a person and not more. Markus
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11-17-21, 01:01 PM | #708 |
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That's a new judicial action, is it?
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11-17-21, 03:40 PM | #710 |
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Well, my fat fingers aside, Lunchbox and Littlebinger *are* morons. The judge is now hearing how they purposely sent a different video to the defense than the one shown in court - the one piece of evidence that the whole prosecution is relying on. With indications of a "day of reckoning" for the State. The problem is the defense are decent people who just asked for a mistrial WITHOUT prejudice, rather than with prejudice. They need to recognize that the prosecutors aren't incompetent - they're evil and spiteful.
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Some states have a "stand your ground" law. This essentially means that deadly force can be used without retreating - as long as there is a reasonable fear for one's life or the life of other innocent people. Still other states have neither of these laws and a person could get into a lot of trouble for using deadly force for any reason. In any case it is usually a requirement that there was no other option and that the person had good reason to believe that their life was in imminent danger.
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Well it seems pretty clear cut to me too but if it's that way to the jury then why are they now going into day 3 of deliberations?
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11-17-21, 10:10 PM | #714 |
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11-18-21, 08:41 AM | #716 |
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You know at first I thought this might be deliberate. Everyone was so ready for a fight that first night of deliberations and maybe they were trying to defuse the situation by not giving them the spark but it's getting close to the weekend and if that was their strategy it's not going to work out if they don't come back with a verdict by this morning.
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11-18-21, 09:23 AM | #717 |
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so it is about politics and strategy..
Does the judge have to accept what the jury says, does he have a veto right?
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11-18-21, 11:29 AM | #718 |
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It probably varies from state to state. I have heard of such a thing though. I doubt that would happen here.
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11-18-21, 11:40 AM | #719 |
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It's rare but a judge can refute the verdict: IE: jury nullification or more properly: judgement non objecto verdicto: JNOV; but the reasoning must be clear cut, nonpolitical, and utterly lawful. This trial is a complete showcase farce. My ex D.A. wife says both attournys got 'mail order law degrees' and should be disbarred. My college buddy/best man & former LA criminal prosecutor, says the whole matter never should have gone to court. The motion for a mistrial over the undersized video (the copter FBI infra-red video)is ridiculous. So the defense had to squint a little harder! As I said before, a showcase knee-jerk trial. Good thing the National Guard is in position so two "less-than-well-ordered militias" don't do it again...
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11-18-21, 11:43 AM | #720 |
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Judges can and do issue JNOVs where they can set aside the jury's verdict. The *big* thing is that, unlike some states, in Wisconsin, the jury is *not* involved in sentencing. They could find him guilty and the judge could set it aside out let it stand but sentence him to time served. Under the circumstances, there is no mandatory minimum sentence.
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