US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 479

Rockstar · 07-11-19, 09:05 AM

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Skybird · 07-12-19, 10:49 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48962885

Will the US stand by its word and throw Turkey out? Turkey has plenty of money paid into the program, so a real kick-out will mean a substantial worstening of the relations with the US. Not that I would care - question is does or does not the US care as little for Turkey as I do?

I would welcome the US being tough here, for it could mark the beginning of the end of Turkey'S NATO membership. The Europeans will try to keep Turkey in, but guess who sits at the longer lever here: its the sam eguy who also sits at the longer lever in the Iran problem. And a turkey getting even closer to Russia as a consequence from beign no longe rin NATO, might be a wake-up call to Europeans with Russian influence driving deper into their Southern flank. Stratgeic threats cna have a good consequence: they hold a chance to make you awake again where before you were sleeping.

Russian influence also grows stronger in Greece, and already has been before, due to shared orthodox culture. Througho9ut the cold war Greece always was seen as a shaky ally.

If the US plays it tough with Turkey, and Erdoghan snaps, yes, then Europe really needs to realise some hard facts in its south. Which I welcome.

Trump can also use this issue as a tool to put pressure on the Europeans again, due to Europe beign piushed by Merkel into deep dependency on Turkey and Erdoghan's good will regarding migration routes.

Trump must enjoy his seat in all this. His position is strong, and he can once again dupe the Europeans "en passant". And I doubt he would consider to pay Turkey out. Thats pissing two sides for the price of one!

Rockstar · 07-12-19, 02:42 PM

just a guess based on news reports here. Suprisingly government appears unified in its position of not allowing Turkey to have its cake and eat it too.

talk already about no longer buying f35 parts from turkish manufactures by 2020 or allowing the purchase of these aircraft if Turkey continues with s-400 program

August · 07-12-19, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Picture illustrating how much Dowly hates our president (again)

So why do you put President in quotation marks Dowly? Are you attempting to claim that he was not legitimately elected? What are you going to do when he gets REelected?

Catfish · 07-12-19, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by August

So why do you put President in quotation marks Dowly? Are you attempting to claim that he was not legitimately elected? What are you going to do when he gets REelected?

Legitimately indeed. Obviously no one else in the whole US was better.
But regarding your question I guess it is because no one outside of the US sees this something as a 'president'. Not now and not in the future.

Hey the main thing is Trump and Skybird have fun

August · 07-12-19, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

But regarding your question I guess it is because no one outside of the US sees this something as a 'president'. Not now and not in the future.

No one? Did you all take a vote or something?

I mean it's not necessarily a bad thing to be disliked by those who have done nothing but dislike us ever since we became a country, but i'm curious, my what authority do you speak for the entire non US world?

Onkel Neal · 07-12-19, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Your "President"

I'm ok with most of those criticisms, I think they are apt. But be fair, did you have a similar collage for Obama or Clinton?

Meanwhile, it's so much fun to watch the PC crowd devour itself.

Buddahaid · 07-12-19, 10:23 PM

It doesn't need to be fair. What are you some type of socialist?

It's nice to see August has a knee jerk reaction to "criticism" of "our" "president" just like "our" "president" does. It must sting somehow, and yes, Trump continues to piss off the right people, or is that the left people, or the right wrong people, or....

Rockstar · 07-13-19, 05:57 AM

ah the real face of american politics. Us'ins agin them'ins. the dumbing down of the American electorate, reduced to memes and personal attacks on each other instead of paying attention to what the elected.

As far as Dowly and his meme all I can say is: we taught him well what its all about dont you think? I mean all he's doing is just following our example.

on the otherhand I could go to the Continuaton War thread and start trashing Finland, their politics, dig up some atrocities, make up and post some meme too. You know the usual troll stuff which adds absolutley nothing to the discussion

August · 07-13-19, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It doesn't need to be fair. What are you some type of socialist?

It's nice to see August has a knee jerk reaction to "criticism" of "our" "president" just like "our" "president" does. It must sting somehow, and yes, Trump continues to piss off the right people, or is that the left people, or the right wrong people, or....

Well Budda we'll see who he's really pissed off the most come november 2020. The way it's looking now with the Dems lockstep march to insanity he'll continue pissing them off for another 4 years after that.

Support open borders and free healthcare for illegal aliens? Madness.

em2nought · 07-13-19, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Meanwhile, it's so much fun to watch the PC crowd devour itself.

It's even more fun to chum the water.

JU_88 · 07-13-19, 10:08 AM

So hypothetically if (in 2020) Trump wins the popular vote but losses the the college to his Dem Rival, Are the same outraged Democrats going to come out in Trumps defense and complain their own candidate is now illegitimate? And are absolutely NO Reps going to use the same argument that system is unfair?

No of course not. And the predictable accusations of hypocrisy will fly in both directions.

Those kinds of interchangeable 'hack' arguments are not grounded in any kind of principle.
I'm not a big fan of Trump either, the but the 'electoral college/popular vote argument' against him is a massive load of old bollocks.
he won the electoral college so he won the presidency. Any objection simply translates as:
'The system must be unfair if it didn't deliver the result I wanted'

Sorry but, that is the reasoning of an infant.

Mr Quatro · 07-13-19, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Well Budda we'll see who he's really pissed off the most come november 2020. The way it's looking now with the Dems lockstep march to insanity he'll continue pissing them off for another 4 years after that.

Support open borders and free healthcare for illegal aliens? Madness.

Yes, Trump will overcome all obstacle 's to win in 2020 (15 1/2 months from now), but then comes the breaking news that President Trump will not finish his 2nd term, but instead turn the WH over to VP Pence.

August · 07-13-19, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JU_88

So hypothetically if (in 2020) Trump wins the popular vote but losses the the college to his Dem Rival, Are the same outraged Democrats going to come out in Trumps defense and complain their own candidate is now illegitimate?

They've set themselves up to have to do just that.

My state, as blue as they come, just signed a multi-state compact to give our electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote. In the scenario you describe they'd be forced to award them to Trump. Oh i can just imagine how that will go up on Beacon Hill!

August · 07-13-19, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Yes, Trump will overcome all obstacle 's to win in 2020 (15 1/2 months from now), but then comes the breaking news that President Trump will not finish his 2nd term, but instead turn the WH over to VP Pence.

Democrats are also setting themselves up to loose control of the House too and with it goes any chance of that happening.

https://freebeacon.com/columns/pelosis-house-of-pain/

07-12-19, 10:49 AM	#7172
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,717 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48962885 Will the US stand by its word and throw Turkey out? Turkey has plenty of money paid into the program, so a real kick-out will mean a substantial worstening of the relations with the US. Not that I would care - question is does or does not the US care as little for Turkey as I do? I would welcome the US being tough here, for it could mark the beginning of the end of Turkey'S NATO membership. The Europeans will try to keep Turkey in, but guess who sits at the longer lever here: its the sam eguy who also sits at the longer lever in the Iran problem. And a turkey getting even closer to Russia as a consequence from beign no longe rin NATO, might be a wake-up call to Europeans with Russian influence driving deper into their Southern flank. Stratgeic threats cna have a good consequence: they hold a chance to make you awake again where before you were sleeping. Russian influence also grows stronger in Greece, and already has been before, due to shared orthodox culture. Througho9ut the cold war Greece always was seen as a shaky ally. If the US plays it tough with Turkey, and Erdoghan snaps, yes, then Europe really needs to realise some hard facts in its south. Which I welcome. Trump can also use this issue as a tool to put pressure on the Europeans again, due to Europe beign piushed by Merkel into deep dependency on Turkey and Erdoghan's good will regarding migration routes. Trump must enjoy his seat in all this. His position is strong, and he can once again dupe the Europeans "en passant". And I doubt he would consider to pay Turkey out. Thats pissing two sides for the price of one! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-12-19, 02:42 PM	#7173
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	just a guess based on news reports here. Suprisingly government appears unified in its position of not allowing Turkey to have its cake and eat it too. talk already about no longer buying f35 parts from turkish manufactures by 2020 or allowing the purchase of these aircraft if Turkey continues with s-400 program Last edited by Rockstar; 07-12-19 at 02:51 PM.

07-12-19, 10:23 PM	#7178
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	It doesn't need to be fair. What are you some type of socialist? It's nice to see August has a knee jerk reaction to "criticism" of "our" "president" just like "our" "president" does. It must sting somehow, and yes, Trump continues to piss off the right people, or is that the left people, or the right wrong people, or.... __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

07-13-19, 05:57 AM	#7179
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	ah the real face of american politics. Us'ins agin them'ins. the dumbing down of the American electorate, reduced to memes and personal attacks on each other instead of paying attention to what the elected. As far as Dowly and his meme all I can say is: we taught him well what its all about dont you think? I mean all he's doing is just following our example. on the otherhand I could go to the Continuaton War thread and start trashing Finland, their politics, dig up some atrocities, make up and post some meme too. You know the usual troll stuff which adds absolutley nothing to the discussion Last edited by Rockstar; 07-13-19 at 06:06 AM.

07-13-19, 10:08 AM	#7182
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,813 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	So hypothetically if (in 2020) Trump wins the popular vote but losses the the college to his Dem Rival, Are the same outraged Democrats going to come out in Trumps defense and complain their own candidate is now illegitimate? And are absolutely NO Reps going to use the same argument that system is unfair? No of course not. And the predictable accusations of hypocrisy will fly in both directions. Those kinds of interchangeable 'hack' arguments are not grounded in any kind of principle. I'm not a big fan of Trump either, the but the 'electoral college/popular vote argument' against him is a massive load of old bollocks. he won the electoral college so he won the presidency. Any objection simply translates as: 'The system must be unfair if it didn't deliver the result I wanted' Sorry but, that is the reasoning of an infant. Last edited by JU_88; 07-13-19 at 10:21 AM.

07-11-19, 09:05 AM	#7171
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Fed Chair live stream before senate