US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 475

STEED · 06-30-19, 04:34 AM

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Donald Trump has become the first sitting US president to set foot in North Korea, after meeting Kim Jong-un in the area between the two Koreas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48814975

Wow.

Rockstar · 06-30-19, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

whats cheaper, health care per person or the cost per person to repatriat them?

Also its been thought with better healthcare (living standards and education) less babies are born to poorer couples who would otherwise tend to raise large families in an attempt to compensate for infant mortality. I think healthier people would help reduce an already over populated globe. As Skybird has said "there are too many of us" of which I agree.

however I dont think coming right out and stating a political platform for global population control will get anyone elected.

Mr Quatro · 06-30-19, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Think it goes with out saying the Democratic lineup pretty much spells Trump 2020.

I agree

23 of them against one Trump and who else on the GOP ticket is still to be determined ... this has to be another circus in the making.

JU_88 · 07-01-19, 03:42 AM

They seem to be clueless, Trump partly won in 2015 on a 'tighter immigration' platform. And here we have some Dem candiates saying, well we can just legalize illegal immigration to solve the border crisis.

Its completely insane, no one out side the progressive western hemisphere would ever consider such a thing.
They don't seem to realize they are pandering to a fringe minority, because there is (on the left) something of a main stream narrative to support it, so they think there is a majority in population to support it too, but there isn't!
Even the minority and 'marginalized' communities they want to protect - would be very worried about open borders since they would be on the front line.

This all comes from a bubble of mostly educated upper middle class progressives on a crusade to 'save the world' So ideological they have lost their grip on reality. Its painful to watch

Skybird · 07-01-19, 04:16 AM

It IS insane indeed. In Stalinist Russia, there was an era when in the workers' perfect paradise state no murder was committed. Because it was such a paradise state for sure than nobody simply could and would turn bad and commit murder - that would have spoiled the white shine of paradise on Earth. So, "it cannot be what should not be": for some years, acts of murder where relabeled and declared as anything, accidents, mishaps, whatever: just not "murder". Needless to say: officially the police also did not investigate murder. Because there was none. They investigated and concluded for "accidents", for example.

To watch such an amassed, toxic concentrate of stupitity like these politicians parades on TV, may it be the Democrats in the US currently, or the Tories in British TV, makes me sick, wanting to vommit. What a parade of pitiful, intellectually defunct carricatures, sobbering for power.

em2nought · 07-01-19, 11:41 AM

I'm betting that election night 2020 is going to be even more enjoyable than election night 2016 was. They'll be just as surprised AGAIN

I still love this!

Catfish · 07-01-19, 01:18 PM

I'm not sure Trump will give in to a defeat, he will just declare it as fake and remain

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...olling-results

em2nought · 07-01-19, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

he will just declare it as fake

He'd be correct if blue state allow illegal aliens to vote.

Maybe the voters of Spain should decide an election in Germany? LOL

Catfish · 07-01-19, 04:27 PM

Oh, apart from the US "Kurfuerst" election type, more people voted against Trump.
"Illegal aliens", sounds like a broken record.

August · 07-01-19, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Oh, apart from the US "Kurfuerst" election type, more people voted against Trump.
"Illegal aliens", sounds like a broken record.

As does this ridiculous idea that anything besides electoral votes should count in the election for president.

JU_88 · 07-01-19, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Oh, apart from the US "Kurfuerst" election type, more people voted against Trump.
"Illegal aliens", sounds like a broken record.

and 'but trump lost the popular vote' also sound like a broken record.
those are bad arguments catfish and you know it.
its just the kind interchangeable partisan sour grapes that either side can throw down, when things don't go their way and it basically just translates as, Democracy is only fair when we win and its only a 'bad system' when we lose.

Maybe progressives need to look their rhetoric for a 5 seconds (a period of self reflection) To find the real reason they keep losing.
Make the left cool again maybe? Ditching intersectionality and language policing would be a good start, but they Keep doubling down on that nonsense and morally brow beating everyone with it - to assign guilt/victimization based on group identity, turns out most folks don't really appreciate that..... and so they will keep losing as long as they play that card, no matter how much 'free stuff' they are offering.

vienna · 07-01-19, 07:30 PM

Actually, the popular vote is more important than the EC vote: oyu can't get EC votes without having won the popular vote in each of the States; I never heard of any candidate getting EC votes that were not based on individual popular vote tallies; what makes the EC vote so unreliable is the "winner takes all" apportioning of the vote used by so many states: the tally just doesn't always reflect the reality...

Did anyone else notice how silent the Trump camp has been since Trump's Orlando, Florida official reelection kick-off rally 06/18/2019, with nary a trumpeting of the event one might expect given Trump's penchant for bombast? There was an awful lot of pre-event hype about how the event was going to be 'Yuuuge!!'; how they had more than 100,000 tick requests weeks before the actual event; how they were going to set up giant screens to accommodate the 'Yuuuge!!' overflow crowds that could not get tickets to the actual event that would fill the surround areas of the arena. They even had a '45 Fest' tailgate party-style set up prior to the actual event just hours before the start of the rally...

Well, reality happened. The actual attendance at the rally was only about 80% of the arenas capacity and there were no overflow crowds outside the arena: those giant screens were playing to litter-riddled empty parking lots. Anyone who wanted to could get a ticket to the event online instantly because there was no great demand for the ducats, certainly not the 'over 100,000' requests touted by the Trump minions. All in all, there was/is no real reason for the Trump camp to want to draw attention to their embarrassment...

The failure of Trump to fill an arena in Florida does not bode well for him in the key 'swing state' of Florida. The inability to raise any substantial interest among the Floridians (not to mention the touted 'hordes' of out-of-state Trumpettes who were expected to make the pilgrimage to Orlando) is a 'Yuuuge!!' foreshadows a serious problem for Trump; it is almost impossible to win the EC without winning in Florida. In 2016, Trump barely scraped by, with a margin of 1.2% of the Florida vote over Clinton; in the months following 2016, Florida GOP candidates have had rough go in a state that had been considered a GOP stalwart. GOP Rick Scot won his run for US Senate by a .4% margin over the DEM candidate; GOP Ron De Santis won his run for Governor by a .7% margin over the DEM candidate; of the 27 House seats up for the vote, the GOP lost two seats to the DEMs (all of the other 25 seats retained their party affiliations unchanged). It seems the hold the GOP has traditionally enjoyed in Florida is slipping away, and, with it, the prospects of keeping those vital EC votes in 2020...

Another item that went unnoticed over the past week was a very possible reason for Trump to suspend his ICE roundup scheduled for weekend before last: the Trump camp had scheduled a "Latinos For Trump" rally, to be MC'd by VP Pence on the Tuesday following the announced ICE roundup; apparently, the status quo of the right hand of the Trump disorganization not knowing what the left is/was doing is still in full effect. It would have looked really, really bad to the Latino voters and their supporters to tout how Trump, and, by extension, the GOP, really, really like Latinos a couple of days after staging a mass roundup of Latinos. It would have been even more of a PR disaster given where the "Latinos For Trump" rally was being held: Miami, Florida. Also note that the Trump camp has also not made any major mention of the Latino rally much as they have all but abandoned any broad mention of the kick off rally, you know, kinda of like how Trump ignores his so many failures...

<O>

Rockstar · 07-01-19, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Actually, the popular vote is more important than the EC vote: oyu can't get EC votes without having won the popular vote in each of the States; I never heard of any candidate getting EC votes that were not based on individual popular vote tallies; what makes the EC vote so unreliable is the "winner takes all" apportioning of the vote used by so many states: the tally just doesn't always reflect the reality...

Did anyone else notice how silent the Trump camp has been since Trump's Orlando, Florida official reelection kick-off rally 06/18/2019, with nary a trumpeting of the event one might expect given Trump's penchant for bombast? There was an awful lot of pre-event hype about how the event was going to be 'Yuuuge!!'; how they had more than 100,000 tick requests weeks before the actual event; how they were going to set up giant screens to accommodate the 'Yuuuge!!' overflow crowds that could not get tickets to the actual event that would fill the surround areas of the arena. They even had a '45 Fest' tailgate party-style set up prior to the actual event just hours before the start of the rally...

Well, reality happened. The actual attendance at the rally was only about 80% of the arenas capacity and there were no overflow crowds outside the arena: those giant screens were playing to litter-riddled empty parking lots. Anyone who wanted to could get a ticket to the event online instantly because there was no great demand for the ducats, certainly not the 'over 100,000' requests touted by the Trump minions. All in all, there was/is no real reason for the Trump camp to want to draw attention to their embarrassment...

The failure of Trump to fill an arena in Florida does not bode well for him in the key 'swing state' of Florida. The inability to raise any substantial interest among the Floridians (not to mention the touted 'hordes' of out-of-state Trumpettes who were expected to make the pilgrimage to Orlando) is a 'Yuuuge!!' foreshadows a serious problem for Trump; it is almost impossible to win the EC without winning in Florida. In 2016, Trump barely scraped by, with a margin of 1.2% of the Florida vote over Clinton; in the months following 2016, Florida GOP candidates have had rough go in a state that had been considered a GOP stalwart. GOP Rick Scot won his run for US Senate by a .4% margin over the DEM candidate; GOP Ron De Santis won his run for Governor by a .7% margin over the DEM candidate; of the 27 House seats up for the vote, the GOP lost two seats to the DEMs (all of the other 25 seats retained their party affiliations unchanged). It seems the hold the GOP has traditionally enjoyed in Florida is slipping away, and, with it, the prospects of keeping those vital EC votes in 2020...

see post #7116. we've heard it all before and looked what happened 2016. Nobody has a clue whats gonna happen until 2020. Anything said is right up their with late night comedy shows, accusations of collusion, treason, conspiracy and after 35 million dollars and waiting 22 months for Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels to turn.

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Another item that went unnoticed over the past week was a very possible reason for Trump to suspend his ICE roundup scheduled for weekend before last: the Trump camp had scheduled a "Latinos For Trump" rally, to be MC'd by VP Pence on the Tuesday following the announced ICE roundup; apparently, the status quo of the right hand of the Trump disorganization not knowing what the left is/was doing is still in full effect. It would have looked really, really bad to the Latino voters and their supporters to tout how Trump, and, by extension, the GOP, really, really like Latinos a couple of days after staging a mass roundup of Latinos. It would have been even more of a PR disaster given where the "Latinos For Trump" rally was being held: Miami, Florida. Also note that the Trump camp has also not made any major mention of the Latino rally much as they have all but abandoned any broad mention of the kick off rally, you know, kinda of like how Trump ignores his so many failures...

You are however correct in stating it is a 'possibility'. Another possibility according to the New York Times something entirely different.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/22/u...ice-raids.html

The president’s abrupt reversal on Saturday came as lawmakers were considering a measure to send $4.5 billion in humanitarian aid to the border, money the Trump administration has said is desperately needed to handle a huge influx of migrants.
Some Democrats, including members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, had threatened to withhold their support for the funding package when it comes to a vote in the House this upcoming week, in protest of Mr. Trump’s immigration policies. The specter of high-profile immigration raids had risked imperiling its chances of passage.

ikalugin · 07-02-19, 03:40 AM

If US had popular vote Trump would have tailored his campaign to win the popular vote, not EC vote. Certain states may also have different popular vote, for example in blue states there may be more red votes because those votes would actually matter.

Skybird · 07-02-19, 05:32 AM

Both parties massively tailor voting districts down to county level as well as city voting districts along ethnic and social groupings so to "balance" to-be-expected voting results such that votes for the political opponent cannot become decisive and own camp wins, sometimes even with just a minority of votes: ba scsattering the majority of opposing votzes over more districts so that they cannot chnage the result for the opponent. Its a fundamental manipulation of the mere idea of majority votings, and one of the strongest arguments against voting system as it is now. There are examples that in a single street the line between two different voting districts swtiches sides of the street form house to house - dpeending o what is known in political prferences of the house owenbr/inhabitant.

Its all a show, and nothing more than just a show. The whole mechanism is just an alibi. Or should I say: fake?

Stop voting. Boycott electiosn and all political parties. Chase every potlicians away who already has done two legislation periods in whatever a fanction he had. Chase him away at mere eye sight.

Oh, and letting illegal aliens in the US vote is like letting every EU citizen vote via mail as well.

With contribution comes rights. No contribution - less rights. You have no own skin in the game? Then shut up. You contributed a lot to the community you live in? Let your say be heard. Simple.

07-01-19, 03:42 AM	#7114
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,750 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	They seem to be clueless, Trump partly won in 2015 on a 'tighter immigration' platform. And here we have some Dem candiates saying, well we can just legalize illegal immigration to solve the border crisis. Its completely insane, no one out side the progressive western hemisphere would ever consider such a thing. They don't seem to realize they are pandering to a fringe minority, because there is (on the left) something of a main stream narrative to support it, so they think there is a majority in population to support it too, but there isn't! Even the minority and 'marginalized' communities they want to protect - would be very worried about open borders since they would be on the front line. This all comes from a bubble of mostly educated upper middle class progressives on a crusade to 'save the world' So ideological they have lost their grip on reality. Its painful to watch Last edited by JU_88; 07-01-19 at 03:54 AM.

07-01-19, 04:16 AM	#7115
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,737 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	It IS insane indeed. In Stalinist Russia, there was an era when in the workers' perfect paradise state no murder was committed. Because it was such a paradise state for sure than nobody simply could and would turn bad and commit murder - that would have spoiled the white shine of paradise on Earth. So, "it cannot be what should not be": for some years, acts of murder where relabeled and declared as anything, accidents, mishaps, whatever: just not "murder". Needless to say: officially the police also did not investigate murder. Because there was none. They investigated and concluded for "accidents", for example. To watch such an amassed, toxic concentrate of stupitity like these politicians parades on TV, may it be the Democrats in the US currently, or the Tories in British TV, makes me sick, wanting to vommit. What a parade of pitiful, intellectually defunct carricatures, sobbering for power. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-01-19, 11:41 AM	#7116
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm betting that election night 2020 is going to be even more enjoyable than election night 2016 was. They'll be just as surprised AGAIN I still love this! __________________ ISRAEL: Essentially "The Alamo" 24/7, 365 since 1947 Last edited by em2nought; 07-01-19 at 11:43 AM. Reason: again

07-01-19, 01:18 PM	#7117
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,934 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I'm not sure Trump will give in to a defeat, he will just declare it as fake and remain https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...olling-results __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-01-19, 04:27 PM	#7119
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,934 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Oh, apart from the US "Kurfuerst" election type, more people voted against Trump. "Illegal aliens", sounds like a broken record. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-01-19, 07:30 PM	#7122
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,528 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Actually, the popular vote is more important than the EC vote: oyu can't get EC votes without having won the popular vote in each of the States; I never heard of any candidate getting EC votes that were not based on individual popular vote tallies; what makes the EC vote so unreliable is the "winner takes all" apportioning of the vote used by so many states: the tally just doesn't always reflect the reality... Did anyone else notice how silent the Trump camp has been since Trump's Orlando, Florida official reelection kick-off rally 06/18/2019, with nary a trumpeting of the event one might expect given Trump's penchant for bombast? There was an awful lot of pre-event hype about how the event was going to be 'Yuuuge!!'; how they had more than 100,000 tick requests weeks before the actual event; how they were going to set up giant screens to accommodate the 'Yuuuge!!' overflow crowds that could not get tickets to the actual event that would fill the surround areas of the arena. They even had a '45 Fest' tailgate party-style set up prior to the actual event just hours before the start of the rally... Well, reality happened. The actual attendance at the rally was only about 80% of the arenas capacity and there were no overflow crowds outside the arena: those giant screens were playing to litter-riddled empty parking lots. Anyone who wanted to could get a ticket to the event online instantly because there was no great demand for the ducats, certainly not the 'over 100,000' requests touted by the Trump minions. All in all, there was/is no real reason for the Trump camp to want to draw attention to their embarrassment... The failure of Trump to fill an arena in Florida does not bode well for him in the key 'swing state' of Florida. The inability to raise any substantial interest among the Floridians (not to mention the touted 'hordes' of out-of-state Trumpettes who were expected to make the pilgrimage to Orlando) is a 'Yuuuge!!' foreshadows a serious problem for Trump; it is almost impossible to win the EC without winning in Florida. In 2016, Trump barely scraped by, with a margin of 1.2% of the Florida vote over Clinton; in the months following 2016, Florida GOP candidates have had rough go in a state that had been considered a GOP stalwart. GOP Rick Scot won his run for US Senate by a .4% margin over the DEM candidate; GOP Ron De Santis won his run for Governor by a .7% margin over the DEM candidate; of the 27 House seats up for the vote, the GOP lost two seats to the DEMs (all of the other 25 seats retained their party affiliations unchanged). It seems the hold the GOP has traditionally enjoyed in Florida is slipping away, and, with it, the prospects of keeping those vital EC votes in 2020... Another item that went unnoticed over the past week was a very possible reason for Trump to suspend his ICE roundup scheduled for weekend before last: the Trump camp had scheduled a "Latinos For Trump" rally, to be MC'd by VP Pence on the Tuesday following the announced ICE roundup; apparently, the status quo of the right hand of the Trump disorganization not knowing what the left is/was doing is still in full effect. It would have looked really, really bad to the Latino voters and their supporters to tout how Trump, and, by extension, the GOP, really, really like Latinos a couple of days after staging a mass roundup of Latinos. It would have been even more of a PR disaster given where the "Latinos For Trump" rally was being held: Miami, Florida. Also note that the Trump camp has also not made any major mention of the Latino rally much as they have all but abandoned any broad mention of the kick off rally, you know, kinda of like how Trump ignores his so many failures... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

07-02-19, 03:40 AM	#7124
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	If US had popular vote Trump would have tailored his campaign to win the popular vote, not EC vote. Certain states may also have different popular vote, for example in blue states there may be more red votes because those votes would actually matter. __________________ Grumpy as always.

07-02-19, 05:32 AM	#7125
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,737 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Both parties massively tailor voting districts down to county level as well as city voting districts along ethnic and social groupings so to "balance" to-be-expected voting results such that votes for the political opponent cannot become decisive and own camp wins, sometimes even with just a minority of votes: ba scsattering the majority of opposing votzes over more districts so that they cannot chnage the result for the opponent. Its a fundamental manipulation of the mere idea of majority votings, and one of the strongest arguments against voting system as it is now. There are examples that in a single street the line between two different voting districts swtiches sides of the street form house to house - dpeending o what is known in political prferences of the house owenbr/inhabitant. Its all a show, and nothing more than just a show. The whole mechanism is just an alibi. Or should I say: fake? Stop voting. Boycott electiosn and all political parties. Chase every potlicians away who already has done two legislation periods in whatever a fanction he had. Chase him away at mere eye sight. Oh, and letting illegal aliens in the US vote is like letting every EU citizen vote via mail as well. With contribution comes rights. No contribution - less rights. You have no own skin in the game? Then shut up. You contributed a lot to the community you live in? Let your say be heard. Simple. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.