Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Reece

It really is a sad situation that has gone out of control, I never thought I'd see the day the US sides with Russia, so sad!

^ I too did not expect that I would ever feel so distrustful of the US that I would begin to think of it as "potentially hostile".

This lost trust will never be regained for the rest of my life. From now on, I'll always be on my guard against the USA. I draw the consequences of America's changed behaviour and decisions. Even more so since this drama runs since 9 years now.

We need to widen the consequences from the military field into that of civil infrastructure as well. Big IT firms. Software. HighTech consumer products. Energy. Dollar. We must decouple, and it will be a very diffoicult and costly task with losses for all sides. All these fields are what is called America's soft powers. They are as merciless and opressive as their military power. But different to the military arena, economics are where Europe can stand up to America. If Washington does not manage to divide the Europeans again.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Efforts to contain Russia’s war against Ukraine ’somewhat under control’ - Trump

US President Donald Trump has said that he has managed to achieve some control over the escalation of Russia's war against Ukraine.

According to Censor.NET, with reference to European Pravda, Trump said this in an interview with Clay Travis, founder of the Outkick sports website, on board the presidential plane.

Trump once again noted his good relationship with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

"So, I know him very well. It's amazing that we haven't gotten into any serious skirmishes over the 'Russia, Russia, Russia' hoax," he said.

Trump also emphasized that Putin "didn't invade anywhere when I was president." He noted that Russian military actions in Georgia and Crimea took place during the presidencies of George W. Bush and Barack Obama, respectively, and the invasion of Ukraine took place during the term of President Joe Biden.

"I don't think there is anyone in the world who will stop (Putin) except me, and I think I can stop him," he said.

The US president added that he had "very rational discussions" with the Russian dictator.

"And I just want people to stop being killed. They're losing 2,500 young people every week, and they're Russians, and they're Ukrainians," Trump said, noting that he had managed to achieve some control over the escalation of the war. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3542741

White House wants to reach ceasefire deal by April 20, won’t agree to limit aid to Ukraine - Bloomberg

Despite Moscow's demands, the White House has not yet agreed to any restrictions on the supply of military aid to Ukraine.

According to Censor.NET, Bloomberg reports this with reference to anonymous sources familiar with the planning.

According to the publication, the White House is seeking to conclude a ceasefire agreement by April 20, which falls on Easter this year, but admits that the deadline may be shifted given the wide gaps between the positions of the two sides.

"Russia has put forward maximalist demands for any deal, including a halt to arms shipments to Ukraine, a position that Kyiv and its allies have rejected. According to the sources, the White House, which briefly suspended vital weapons shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Ukraine, has not agreed to any restrictions so far," the report said.

"We are working toward a ceasefire and a lasting peace," White House spokesman Brian Hughes said.

"We will not disclose the terms of the discussions or timelines to the media," he added.

Earlier, US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff said that the US, Ukraine, and Russia are supposedly close to discussing a permanent ceasefire.

As a reminder, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy and US President Donald Trump agreed to continue working together to achieve a real end to the war and establish a lasting peace. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3542731

[Dargo]

This sums it up, dumb vs bosses of negotiations!

[Jimbuna]

^ Quite damning!

[Dargo]

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Catfish]

Trump has handed Ukraine and Europe to Putin on a silver platter.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily...81719800299846

[Reece]

That news article is rather old Catfish, 14th Feb, so probably doesn't apply now.

[Catfish]

True, but I have seldom seen such a good summary of supposed US interests in regard to the new world order, where independent countries are suddenly up for grabs, to be taken by the strongest disregarding treaties and international organisations.
And I fear this has not changed in the last weeks.

[Reece]

Where is the voice of the Democrats in all this? I would have thought they'd be fighting back vehemently!!

[Reece]

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I watched that all the way through Jim, very enlightening but scary!!

So what do you think about England joining the EU again? My thought is go for it, a united Europe is needed right now.
Certainly looks like the US siding with Russia, what a waste of the last 80 years, goodbye democracy!!

[Jimbuna]