US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"Trump Administration Orders Communications Blackout For US Scientists"
Next: Orwell's MiniTruth.

Apparently, the rise of the Trump regime has also raised the people's awareness and/or recollection of the of the Orwell dystopia:

Not an 'alternative fact': George Orwell's '1984' tops Amazon's bestseller list:

http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketc...125-story.html

I guess if we are devolving into 'Duckspeak', who better to occasion this than someone named "Donald"...

I'm looking forward to Conway and/or Spicer to start telling us everything Trump does is "PlusGood! DoublePlusGood!"...

Originally Posted by Catfish

Does Trump intend to reign only with decrees, like a king? Is that even legal in a democracy?
What happens if any community fights back against the president's orders, or decrees?

Does anyone else recall the fairly recent uproar, indignation, and outright condemnation regarding Executive Orders, the furrowed brows, the scowls, and the wagging, warning fingers over 'imperial presidency' and the shameful arrogation of power? I sometimes wonder if those who so decried are in any fear of their heads twisting off from having to turn back and forth, along with their views, so rapidly; perhaps they, like Regan in "The Exorcist", are are equipped with easily swiveling heads...



<O>

For 8 years a certain type of Republicans acted as if Obama declares himself dictator for life and sends out his evil, gun-jacking nazi-dentists to take away everyone's or at least someone's freedom and rights..... Aaaany minute now...

And of course nothing ever happened.

Donald Dumb is president for a few hours and he already pulls stunts that make any remotely sane person lose hope for mankind.
Meanwhile, his voters are still busy circle jerking because now of course milk and honey will flow again, so they don't realize the wide open box of Pandora they did open for everyone.

Let's see what will win in the end. His supporters (wrong) pride, ignorance and political stupidity... or honesty and the ability to concede a tremendous mistake.
Unfortunately, I already presume the answer to my, granted, rather loaded question.

[Dowly]

[Oberon]

[August]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

For 8 years a certain type of Republicans acted as if Obama declares himself dictator for life and sends out his evil, gun-jacking nazi-dentists to take away everyone's or at least someone's freedom and rights..... Aaaany minute now...

And of course nothing ever happened.

Of course not, just as a certain type of Democrat acted as if George Bush (either of them) declared himself dictator for life and sent out his evil, gun-jacking nazi-dentists to take away everyone's or at least someone's freedom and rights.

Donald Dumb is president for a few hours and he already pulls stunts that make any remotely sane person lose hope for mankind.
Meanwhile, his voters are still busy circle jerking because now of course milk and honey will flow again, so they don't realize the wide open box of Pandora they did open for everyone.

And here you go beginning yet another turn on this never ending circle of fanatical thinking.

Let's see what will win in the end. His supporters (wrong) pride, ignorance and political stupidity... or honesty and the ability to concede a tremendous mistake.

What mistake? Not electing Hillary Clinton? Please.

Unfortunately, I already presume the answer to my, granted, rather loaded question.

Calling it "rather" loaded is like saying Rambo was "rather" armed.

[yubba]

well where would you begin looking for republican voter fraud,,, wasn't it the democrats crying that you shouldn't have a ID to vote..

[Mr Quatro]

Looks like a flu season chart to me

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

That is the way it works in every other civilized country, even ultra liberal Canada. It is only a political issue in the USA.

That's because it's seen by the ACLU as a way to keep poor people (read black/minorities) from voting, and has it's roots in the civil rights movement.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

For 8 years a certain type of Republicans acted as if Obama declares himself dictator for life and sends out his evil, gun-jacking nazi-dentists to take away everyone's or at least someone's freedom and rights..... Aaaany minute now...

And of course nothing ever happened.

Donald Dumb is president for a few hours and he already pulls stunts that make any remotely sane person lose hope for mankind.
Meanwhile, his voters are still busy circle jerking because now of course milk and honey will flow again, so they don't realize the wide open box of Pandora they did open for everyone.

Let's see what will win in the end. His supporters (wrong) pride, ignorance and political stupidity... or honesty and the ability to concede a tremendous mistake.
Unfortunately, I already presume the answer to my, granted, rather loaded question.

That's because you're on the outside looking in, ignore what the media & political pundits say, the predominate reason Donald Trump is now the President of the United States is because He IS NOT a politician. as to whether that was a blunder or not, remains to be seen.

[Oberon]

So, a cool $20-25b onto the national debt.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by MaDef

That's because it's seen by the ACLU as a way to keep poor people (read black/minorities) from voting, and has it's roots in the civil rights movement.

Actually, there has been, in the past, a rather vocal opposition to voter ID from those of the Far-Right end of the spectrum. I recall listening to talk radio shows from the 60s through the 80s and there were always some Right Wing caller who would get all het up when the subject of national IDs came up and voter IDs were right up there on their list of 'gubbamint' efforts to be resisted; their thinking was any form of standardized, universal ID, even on a state level, was just another means of the Big Brother 'commanists' trying to account for every citizen, at all times, and, ya know, once they got you in their files, they was a commin' ta git ya! It was akin to the current tinfoil hat crowd's obsession with subcutaneous RFID chips and the like and their belief any form of mass ID is just a ploy to get us in a massive database. The big difference now is that the Right is pushing the idea they once held in suspicion and the Left is now opposing with new suspicions. Maybe, in another twenty or thirty years, the roles will be reversed again...



<O>

[vienna]

Originally Posted by MaDef

That's because it's seen by the ACLU as a way to keep poor people (read black/minorities) from voting, and has it's roots in the civil rights movement.

It doesn't help the pro voter ID cause that a great many of the current states enacting such ID laws are the same ones that enacted, in the past, discriminatory measures such as poll taxes and the like and were only stopped when the 24th Amendment was passed in 1964. If the major push had come in states not so tainted with prior discriminatory voter practices, the current debate may have been much less divisive...



<O>

[ikalugin]

like and their belief any form of mass ID is just a ploy to get us in a massive database.

They should study Russian experience.

When we have tried to make a singular ID/electronic card (ID, debit card, public transport pass, insurance policy document - it was one card to rule them all) we found out that there is no general/common database for the interior passports (primary ID document of a citizen).

So even in a such "evill" state as Russia one can have a primary ID (that everyone has) without a such database.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

Not at all. Whatever the by-then-retired Bush may have done or not done in the past had absolutely no bearing on a current candidate in the upcoming election. Surely you agree with that, or do you believe that any questionable action by any president at any point in the nations history gives current and future presidents leave to do the same thing?

Yes, I do agree, which is why I brought it up in the first place. Your counter to the accusation of Trump's lies was a comment on Obama, who is no longer in office. As I said, goose and gander?

[ikalugin]

By the way, how is it possible for a civilised country not to have a primary citizen ID?

I mean, how does one prove that he is a US citizen if so required? How about passport that people use to traval abroad, wont everyone have one?