Wuhan virus 2020

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

That does nothing in explaining excess deaths above predicted deaths that have been recorded during a time when seasonal flu has been suppressed by Covid 19 sanitation measures.

You're right. How *do* you explain that masks and social distancing that we were told works for covid didn't actually flatten the number of infections this cold and flu season but it did for flu? That is - if the argument is that measures taken for covid stopped the flu, then why didn't it stop covid? We got a large peak of covid right where you'd expect it to occur during cold and flu season.

A better theory is viral competition with flu getting beat out by covid. More importantly, we have evidence that rhinoviruses actually picked up and adenoviruses held steady in terms of infections ass compared to last year's season.

Lastly, experts are now saying that covid19 will be endemic every year, just like all of the other coronaviruses that have become widespread (such as the one scientists believe was the actual cause of the 1889 Russian flu pandemic and is now just another common cold virus).

Our global health hysteria has negatively affected our natural immune systems' abilities to adapt and fight infectious intruders because people in lockdowns and masks aren't continually exposed to things.

No one really thinks about it, but on a daily basis before this panic, most people were exposed to many different pathogens that the immune system takes care of - it off like the rest of your body - it needs exercise.

[Catfish]

"Brazil COVID-19 deaths on track to pass worst of U.S. wave"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2BT30P

[Skybird]

Wearing face masks reduces the risk of infection when being in situations where exposition could take place. The level to which they do, varies with the kind of mask. A layer of nylon stockings protects less than a FFP3/KN100 mask.

This is proven fact, no debate about it, period and full stop. Its deniers fact-twisting to claim otherwise. We have such obscure websites in German, too, I know what bollocks is written and claimed there its the same kind of brain breed that says we should not vaccinate against Polio and mumps and let nature have its ways with both. It was and remains to be bollocks meant to spread doubts on the basis of undefendable "alternative facts".

When numbers still go up, then this is because none of these masks gives 100% protection, either due to material weakness, or due to the wearer wearing them wrong or intentionally heedless to demonstrate what a tough ape he/she is, or not wearing them where he should wear them.

Have everybody people wearing masks that seal their breathing air from contamination by 100% (no such respiratory mask - meaning it uses external air, no independent tank with breathing oxygene like a diver - is known), and have them running proper hand and object/surface hygience: and the pandemic would be over since long. But such perfect behaviour to expect by everybody, is unrealistic. And accidents can and will happen.

Does this nonsense talking about masks doing nothing never ends? Its garbage, it always was garbage, and it will always remain to be garbage. Its intention always was just destraction, spreading doubt, and causing unrest.

True is only this: the mask

- is only as good as the material it is made of,
- as good as the way in which it is worn,

- as good as compliance with the adequate instances when it should be worn,
- and as good as keepign proper hygeineics control with the used mask itself.

And if people wear them sloppily, or use bad materials, or do not wear them at all, or take greater risks in social situations because they think by wearing a mask they are 100% safe, then they will not prevent infections in case of exposition. And when some idiots or unknowing stupids do not mind and do not care or anything, this hardly can be an argument for the general public not to reduce its risks but to go "all in".



Clear also is, a residual risk remains, masks do not provide 100% protection. The residual risks adds up the more other risk - social situation risking exposition - get sought and get not avoided. We have seen it across the globe, time and again: where they have run draconic lockdowns for extended time, numbers went steeply down, because while a lockdown is not economically nice, it is quite total in avoiding social contacts. And where lockdowns have not been run with the needed drastic consequence, and have had too many exceptions allowed, and had not be run long enough, numbers hardly were effected for long.


Stop the drivel now. It so awfully tiresome.

[Catfish]

[Skybird]

Maybe "schizophrenia" should be added to the list of possible side effects of the AZ vaccine. while the UK today has limited the use of the vaccine to above 30 yr. old, EMA has reiterated it recommends the vaccine for everybody. Add to this the ever chnagign assessments on the vaccine by different nations, namely Germany.

If something is so disputed and triggers so contradicting, time-phased and diverse actions, I do not want to have anything to do with it anymore. Even more when reclaling that the comoany tried to nice-talk early problems in spring last year already, and since then ever again.

Trust is gone, I will not trust AZ's vaccine anymore, and politicians' babbling does not interest me anyway. If that means I will wait longer in the end, so be it.

[Jimbuna]

Under-30s are to be offered an alternative Covid jab to the AstraZeneca vaccine, the UK's vaccine advisory body says.

Advice for younger people is changing after an investigation into cases of blood clots in people who have had the jab.

The vaccination programme has been "a most enormous success" but needs a "course correction", Prof Jonathan Van-Tam says.

The blood clots are extremely rare, MHRA chief Dr June Raine says.

"The balance of benefits and known risks of the vaccine is still very favourable for the vast number of people," Dr Raine adds.

People who have had a first Oxford-AZ jab should still be offered the second dose, Prof Wei Shen of the JCVI says.
European regulator the EMA says unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects of the vaccine.

Health ministers from the 27 EU member nations are meeting to discuss the findings.

Carer Elle Taylor, 24, from Ammanford in Wales is the first person to receive the Moderna vaccine in the UK

Brazil records more than 4,000 Covid-related deaths in a days for first time.

[Jimbuna]

A further 45 deaths have been recorded within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test. It takes the total by this measure to 126,927.

And there were 2,763 new Covid cases reported.

Meanwhile, another 85,227 have had the first dose of a vaccine and 186,793 more people have received a second jab.

It means a total of 31,707,594 people have now had a first jab in the UK and 5,683,509 have had both doses.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Wearing face masks reduces the risk of infection when being in situations where exposition could take place. The level to which they do, varies with the kind of mask. A layer of nylon stockings protects less than a FFP3/KN100 mask.

This is proven fact, no debate about it, period and full stop. Its deniers fact-twisting to claim otherwise. We have such obscure websites in German, too, I know what bollocks is written and claimed there its the same kind of brain breed that says we should not vaccinate against Polio and mumps and let nature have its ways with both. It was and remains to be bollocks meant to spread doubts on the basis of undefendable "alternative facts".

When numbers still go up, then this is because none of these masks gives 100% protection, either due to material weakness, or due to the wearer wearing them wrong or intentionally heedless to demonstrate what a tough ape he/she is, or not wearing them where he should wear them.

Have everybody people wearing masks that seal their breathing air from contamination by 100% (no such respiratory mask - meaning it uses external air, no independent tank with breathing oxygene like a diver - is known), and have them running proper hand and object/surface hygience: and the pandemic would be over since long. But such perfect behaviour to expect by everybody, is unrealistic. And accidents can and will happen.

Does this nonsense talking about masks doing nothing never ends? Its garbage, it always was garbage, and it will always remain to be garbage. Its intention always was just destraction, spreading doubt, and causing unrest.

True is only this: the mask

- is only as good as the material it is made of,
- as good as the way in which it is worn,

- as good as compliance with the adequate instances when it should be worn,
- and as good as keepign proper hygeineics control with the used mask itself.

And if people wear them sloppily, or use bad materials, or do not wear them at all, or take greater risks in social situations because they think by wearing a mask they are 100% safe, then they will not prevent infections in case of exposition. And when some idiots or unknowing stupids do not mind and do not care or anything, this hardly can be an argument for the general public not to reduce its risks but to go "all in".



Clear also is, a residual risk remains, masks do not provide 100% protection. The residual risks adds up the more other risk - social situation risking exposition - get sought and get not avoided. We have seen it across the globe, time and again: where they have run draconic lockdowns for extended time, numbers went steeply down, because while a lockdown is not economically nice, it is quite total in avoiding social contacts. And where lockdowns have not been run with the needed drastic consequence, and have had too many exceptions allowed, and had not be run long enough, numbers hardly were effected for long.


Stop the drivel now. It so awfully tiresome.

Being sheeple and just going along with "experts" ultimately helps no one, nor does being a total denier.

You can and should maintain a questioning attitude about *everything* and draw your own conclusions based upon the preponderance of the available scientific evidence, applied with common sense and an understanding of centuries of prior scientific principles that have stood the test of time.

[Skybird]

I do not waste time on keeping a questioning attitude on whether or not a bucket with a hole in the bottom holds the water or not, nor do I need a "sceptical" expert to tell me.

[Onkel Neal]

Now fully vaccinated, I am going to continue on with life as usual now. Knowing people who took few precautions and others who went to church and busily sang hymns with no regard for caution, as my canaries, I'm comfortable that the risk level, although not zero, is low enough to ease up.

[Skybird]

I never would have thought that Neal has canaries. Hope it is not infectous?!

[Skybird]

Die Welt writes about a study done in Bavaria:

With the screening study "Fr1da", researchers led by Anette-Gabriele Ziegler examined Bavarian children for an early stage of type 1 diabetes. These tests take blood samples. In order to be able to use this study structure for corona research, SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests were also carried out. -

During the first wave in spring 2020, the test results in the children examined showed a SARS-CoV-2 antibody frequency of 0.87 percent - six times more than reported via PCR tests. -

By continuing the study, it has now been shown that the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies was significantly increased during the second wave in autumn and winter. Preschool children had an antibody frequency of 5.6 percent in the test period between October 2020 and February 2021. For school children who were tested from November 2020 to February 2021, the value was even 8.4 percent. -

Overall, the antibody frequency at the end of the second wave (January and February 2021) was about eight times higher than at the end of the first wave (April to July 2020). In addition, the results showed that in the second wave three to four times more preschool and school children in Bavaria were infected with SARS-CoV-2 than reported via PCR tests.

[Jimbuna]

The number of weekly coronavirus deaths in England and Wales has fallen by 92% from the second wave peak, the ONS says.

712 deaths involving Covid-19 occurred in the week to 19 March, down from 8,945 weekly deaths in January.

Today's statistics see 53 further deaths recorded in the UK, and a further 3,030 new cases.

More than 500,000 vaccinations have been given in 24 hours - 408,396 of them were second jabs.

The number of people who have had both doses of a vaccine in the UK has now passed six million.

The risk of a blood clot after Covid vaccination is about the same as on a long-haul flight, Matt Hancock says.

There are more than enough Moderna and Pfizer vaccines for under-30s, the health secretary says.

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says she'll be happy to have the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine next week.

The French Open tennis is being delayed by a week in the hope more fans can attend after France's lockdown.