UK Politics Thread - Page 454

Jimbuna · 06-22-17, 07:57 AM

Back On Topic:

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European Council president Donald Tusk has quoted lyrics from John Lennon's Imagine to suggest the door remains open to the UK staying in the EU.
Ahead of a Brussels summit he said of the prospect: "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40362594

You just couldn't make this up

Catfish · 06-22-17, 08:13 AM

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... to suggest the door remains open to the UK staying in the EU.

Too late.
I thought this EU summit isn't about brexit? Seems i was wrong:
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/me...2017/06/22-23/

ok so no brexit negotiations, but what to do about relocations of yet UK-based EU agencies.

STEED · 06-22-17, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Gentlemen, if you please, we already have a thread dedicated to Grenfell Tower:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...12#post2493812

Yes Boss, pot noodle is in the post.

STEED · 06-22-17, 05:46 PM

I am not convinced at all, I smell a rat called May..

Skybird · 06-23-17, 03:11 AM

As predicted, the first crahs has already happened, and nobody noticed it. May offered that EU citizens can stay in the UK and ask for citizenship if they lived there for five years already. One can certainly talk about the date from when on the count should start: May says the day when the letter for Brexit was sent, the EU wants the day when Brexit will be finally sealed.

But unacceptable from British perspective is that the Court of Justice in Luxembourgh should be the court guarding over this - to-be - right of EU foreigners in the UK. The Court of Justice is an entity of the EU and was created to especially watch over the EU treaties . That such a foreign court should also be authorizd now to watch over internal affairs of a to-be non memberstate, is a ridiculing of the British demand for claiming back national sovereignty.

London must fear that the EU uses this to create a precedence for other issues in the future when then the EU will claim this precedence to demand authority of the Luxembourgh court again.

If I were to represent the British side, I would be adamant over this so that already now the negotiations could be declared as failed, and could be ended, if the EU does not give up. That is true for the other two red lines the EU already has demanded in the past weeks as well - they all in principle are a denial of the end of British membership, and accept only the end of British rights, not its membership duties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_...European_Union

That the EU already some time ago said that they see this as one of their red lines and claim the EU court should be responsible for parts of British legislation, shows that they have not understood that Brexit means Brexit: end of EU membership.

Question always is how hard a Brexit May still can sell in parliament. The bRitish side has weakened itself tremendously with those election results.

STEED · 06-23-17, 06:45 AM

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Jeremy Corbyn has overtaken Theresa May for the first time on the question of who voters think would be the best Prime Minister, a poll suggests.
The survey, by YouGov for The Times, puts the Labour leader on 35%, ahead of the Prime Minister on 34%.

http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-ove...-time-10924618

And next week King Kong is voted ice cream seller of the year.

Jimbuna · 06-23-17, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-ove...-time-10924618

And next week King Kong is voted ice cream seller of the year.

STEED · 06-23-17, 04:07 PM

Gids strikes again..

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May 'blocked Cameron's bid to guarantee EU citizens' rights'

The explosive claim comes in an Evening Standard editorial - the paper edited by former chancellor George Osborne.

http://news.sky.com/story/may-blocke...ights-10924937

Gids must have many dagger's in his closet.

Skybird · 06-23-17, 05:25 PM

^ But I would have blocked it, too. I do not believe in negotiating from a position of weakness, and why giving up a strong argument needlessly, for nothing? That argument is: reciprocity: "You want us to protect existing EU citizens' status - you have to agree to protect existing UK citizens' status in EU countries as well. Quid pro quo."

STEED · 06-24-17, 04:27 AM

Jeremy Corbyn is off to Glastonbury today getting down and dirty with the young promoting herbal tea.

Groovy

Catfish · 06-24-17, 06:13 AM

May tried to sell the "allowance for EU citizens to stay after having lived in the UK for five years" as a generous offer, when it was assumed earlier to be a matter of course, by all.
That UK citizens may live in the EU was already taken as self-evident, and the proposal already made in 12/2016, by Charles Goerens from Luxemburg.
This is non-news.

Jimbuna · 06-24-17, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

May tried to sell the "allowance for EU citizens to stay after having lived in the UK for five years" as a generous offer, when it was assumed earlier to be a matter of course, by all.
That UK citizens may live in the EU was already taken as self-evident, and the proposal already made in 12/2016, by Charles Goerens from Luxemburg.
This is non-news.

I tend to agree but if the early indications are anything to go by, and I repeat the word 'if', there is a possibility of both parties coming to an early position of 'failure to reach agreement' and the inevitable consequence may well mean the UK simply walking away.

A lot will depend on what spin the media put on such a situation before it will become clear if the public are with or against the government on the matter.

STEED · 06-24-17, 04:55 PM

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Jeremy Corbyn gets rapturous reception at Glastonbury

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-cor...nbury-10926081

Groovy Jezza the king of the young tells them what they want to hear.

This one is for Jezza..

STEED · 06-24-17, 05:13 PM

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MPs lose email access as Parliament targeted in 'sustained' cyberattack

http://news.sky.com/story/parliament...-says-10926078

I wonder former Tory PM dodgy dave's password was.. ILovePigs.

Jimbuna · 06-25-17, 11:11 AM

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Brexit Secretary David Davis has told the BBC he is "pretty sure", but not "certain", that he will be able to get a free trade deal with the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40397312

I certainly hope so.

06-22-17, 05:46 PM	#6799
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I am not convinced at all, I smell a rat called May.. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

06-23-17, 03:11 AM	#6800
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	As predicted, the first crahs has already happened, and nobody noticed it. May offered that EU citizens can stay in the UK and ask for citizenship if they lived there for five years already. One can certainly talk about the date from when on the count should start: May says the day when the letter for Brexit was sent, the EU wants the day when Brexit will be finally sealed. But unacceptable from British perspective is that the Court of Justice in Luxembourgh should be the court guarding over this - to-be - right of EU foreigners in the UK. The Court of Justice is an entity of the EU and was created to especially watch over the EU treaties . That such a foreign court should also be authorizd now to watch over internal affairs of a to-be non memberstate, is a ridiculing of the British demand for claiming back national sovereignty. London must fear that the EU uses this to create a precedence for other issues in the future when then the EU will claim this precedence to demand authority of the Luxembourgh court again. If I were to represent the British side, I would be adamant over this so that already now the negotiations could be declared as failed, and could be ended, if the EU does not give up. That is true for the other two red lines the EU already has demanded in the past weeks as well - they all in principle are a denial of the end of British membership, and accept only the end of British rights, not its membership duties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_...European_Union That the EU already some time ago said that they see this as one of their red lines and claim the EU court should be responsible for parts of British legislation, shows that they have not understood that Brexit means Brexit: end of EU membership. Question always is how hard a Brexit May still can sell in parliament. The bRitish side has weakened itself tremendously with those election results. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-23-17 at 03:21 AM.

06-23-17, 05:25 PM	#6804
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ But I would have blocked it, too. I do not believe in negotiating from a position of weakness, and why giving up a strong argument needlessly, for nothing? That argument is: reciprocity: "You want us to protect existing EU citizens' status - you have to agree to protect existing UK citizens' status in EU countries as well. Quid pro quo." __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-24-17, 04:27 AM	#6805
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Jeremy Corbyn is off to Glastonbury today getting down and dirty with the young promoting herbal tea. Groovy __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

06-24-17, 06:13 AM	#6806
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	May tried to sell the "allowance for EU citizens to stay after having lived in the UK for five years" as a generous offer, when it was assumed earlier to be a matter of course, by all. That UK citizens may live in the EU was already taken as self-evident, and the proposal already made in 12/2016, by Charles Goerens from Luxemburg. This is non-news. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.