Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 - Page 447

Skybird · 03-06-25, 08:44 AM

Europe seems to be slowly waking up indeed . There is a growing number of voices even in politics that doubt the reliability of American arms deals and warn that Washington could deactivate key pillars of the European arsenal at the touch of a button if necessary. Not to mention the dependence on US satellites and IT communications and internet servers.

I would add: Windows. I have long seen Windows as a disguised weapon of American foreign policy. I was already suspicious about this in the days of Windows XP, and I am convicned since Windows Vista.

I bought a new (non-gaming) notebook a few days ago. Linux, of course.

Stay on your guard against America. Its no longer a friend and partner. And Trump just loves to play foul.

And another thought: what will the Eurpeans decide when Trump blackmails Ukraine into surrender to Russia and demands the Europeans to stop supporting it with arms and money, too? After all, Trump is now shamelessly representing the interests of his idol Vladimir and wants to serve Ukraine to his buddy on a silver platter.

Then we will see what Europe's recent tough words are actually worth, especially Starmer's. I'm not betting my life on them. We get out of the starting blocks now, it seems - but very, very late. Too late? Time will tell.

Jimbuna · 03-06-25, 08:55 AM

Jimbuna · 03-06-25, 08:58 AM

Jimbuna · 03-06-25, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

Not provocation - a promise of a commitment to self-defence

So is this the beginning of a contest to see who is taken most seriously between him and Two Tier?

I doubt Putin takes either of them all that seriously.

Jimbuna · 03-06-25, 09:36 AM

Turkish peacekeepers may be sent to Ukraine if necessary – Defense Ministry

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The Turkish Ministry of Defense has assessed the possibility of sending military personnel to Ukraine as part of a peacekeeping force.

This is reported by Milliyet, Censor.NET reports.

"The issue of participation in the mission, which has been raised in various media but has not yet been included in the conceptual framework, will be assessed jointly with all relevant parties if it is deemed necessary to establish regional stability and peace," said ministry spokesman Zeki Aktürk.

He noted that a just and lasting peace can be achieved through equal and fair representation of both sides.

"In this process, our country will continue to support all constructive initiatives aimed at establishing peace in the region, preserving the Black Sea as a sea of peace and rebuilding Ukraine. In addition, we are following the multidimensional diplomatic initiatives aimed at ending the war in close coordination with the relevant institutions of our country," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539643

US is destroying world order, - Zaluzhnyi

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Ukraine's Ambassador to the UK, Valerii Zaluzhnyi, said that the United States is "destroying the world order".

According to Censor.NET, he was quoted by The Times.

The former head of the Armed Forces of Ukraine warned that NATO may cease to exist, and Russia will come for Europe.

"It is not just the axis of evil trying to revise the world order … The US is destroying the world order. It is obvious the White House has questioned the unity of the whole western world. And now Washington is trying to delegate the security issues to Europe without the participation of the US," he said in a speech at the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539634

Skybird · 03-06-25, 09:42 AM

^ Its obvious that the Donaldists desoperatelky wna tto get rid of Zelenskyi after embarassing him has gotten too boring, most likely to install an obedient puppet of their own that they have full control over. Thats why I think they would oppose a preisndet Zalushnyi, this man does not give me the impresison he would ber servile to the US. I think Poroshenko would be their most preferred choice. Or an unknown Nobody.

Skybird · 03-06-25, 10:39 AM

Trump ordered deactivating of HIMARS targetting systems.

Murderous azzhole. Why not firing Tomahawks and bombard Ukrainian soldiers directly!? Should Russia have all the fun all for itself?

Thats why we must stop buying American weapons. And must get rid of those we have.

Eichhörnchen · 03-06-25, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Indeed we have been busy here, some friends and I have been to Ukraine delivering goods of all kinds in vans, also we are active again in the 'Reservistenverband'

I wondered where you kept disappearing to recently - I thought maybe you had a floozy

Well done, mate - my reservist sell-by date passed long ago, although I told Moira the other day I might still be useful as a sniper

Jimbuna · 03-06-25, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Trump ordered deactivating of HIMARS targetting systems.

Now that sounds seriously vindictive in my bool if true

Exocet25fr · 03-06-25, 12:34 PM

Fortunatly us, Frenchies, we build our own weapons and got Nuclear ones !

Today we launched Ariane 6 with a French military spy satellite with success!

https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/...ilitary-r19069

Jimbuna · 03-06-25, 12:35 PM

Peace in Ukraine cannot be determined by United States and Russia alone – China’s Special Envoy to EU Lu Shaye

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China's Special Representative for European Affairs, Lu Shaye, said he was "shocked" by US President Donald Trump's attitude toward allies in Europe. He believes that a peace agreement for Ukraine should not be determined by the United States and Russia alone.

This is reported by the South China Morning Post, Censor.NET informs.

"If you look at how the Trump administration is pursuing a brazen and despotic policy towards Europe, doing this to its allies, then, frankly, from a European point of view, it is simply terrible," he said on March 5 on the sidelines of the annual session of the People's Political Consultative Conference.

Lu Shaye noted that European countries should reflect on Trump's behavior and compare his policies with those of China.

According to him, by comparing this, the EU will see that China's diplomatic approach is aimed at "peace, friendship, goodwill, and mutually beneficial cooperation."

Lu Shaye is convinced that the US negotiations with Russia are really aimed at resolving the full-scale war in Ukraine.

He emphasized that any peace process should include the recognition and participation of all stakeholders, including European countries.

"The various proposed solutions should be subject to equal discussion, not dictated by a select few," he added.

Earlier, US President Donald Trump received an "important letter" from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in which he assures him that Ukraine is ready to sit down at the negotiating table.

Meeting between Russia and the United States
On February 27, representatives of the United States and the Russian Federation met in Istanbul, Turkey. They agreed to hold another meeting in the near future. The date and place have not yet been determined. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539674

Otto Harkaman · 03-06-25, 12:39 PM

^x3 No! That's so provocative, shooting US missiles deep into Russian territory? What if the Russians were supplying missiles to the Mexican cartels and letting them target places within the US? Yeah that's why this needs to be toned down. One nuclear bomb going off over anybody's country is unimaginable.

Dargo · 03-06-25, 12:58 PM

Malcolm Nance spent three decades in U.S. intelligence before taking up arms with UkraineÂ’s foreign legion to join the battlefield to liberate Ukraine.

Eutelsat Seeks to Oust Starlink in Ukraine as US Pulls Back

French satellite operator Eutelsat Communications SA said talks with the European Union to replace Elon MuskÂ’s Starlink in Ukraine are intensifying as the US pulls back from its commitments there. Â“Everyone is asking us today, Â‘Can you replace the large number of terminals of Starlink in Ukraine,Â’ and we are looking at that,Â” Eutelsat Chief Executive Officer Eva Berneke said in an interview with Bloomberg TV on Thursday. The company is already working in Ukraine and has thousands of terminals there currently, but not all are on the network, Berneke said. It is in talks with suppliers to provide both military-grade and standard terminals and would need Â“a couple of monthsÂ” to provide 40,

Eichhörnchen · 03-06-25, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Now that sounds seriously vindictive in my bool if true

It would equate with joining the Russians to fight in the field - as saboteurs

Eichhörnchen · 03-06-25, 01:13 PM

How can all this alienation of its neighbours, friends and former allies benefit the US? Trump has set about creating what might eventually become a resentful confederation, which no longer wants or needs them for anything - either materially or politically

Europe will survive this - one way or another - and when that day comes it will all have been to America's detriment

03-06-25, 08:44 AM	#6691
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,679 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Europe seems to be slowly waking up indeed . There is a growing number of voices even in politics that doubt the reliability of American arms deals and warn that Washington could deactivate key pillars of the European arsenal at the touch of a button if necessary. Not to mention the dependence on US satellites and IT communications and internet servers. I would add: Windows. I have long seen Windows as a disguised weapon of American foreign policy. I was already suspicious about this in the days of Windows XP, and I am convicned since Windows Vista. I bought a new (non-gaming) notebook a few days ago. Linux, of course. Stay on your guard against America. Its no longer a friend and partner. And Trump just loves to play foul. And another thought: what will the Eurpeans decide when Trump blackmails Ukraine into surrender to Russia and demands the Europeans to stop supporting it with arms and money, too? After all, Trump is now shamelessly representing the interests of his idol Vladimir and wants to serve Ukraine to his buddy on a silver platter. Then we will see what Europe's recent tough words are actually worth, especially Starmer's. I'm not betting my life on them. We get out of the starting blocks now, it seems - but very, very late. Too late? Time will tell. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 03-06-25 at 09:08 AM.

03-06-25, 08:55 AM	#6692
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,726 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-06-25, 08:58 AM	#6693
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,726 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-06-25, 09:42 AM	#6696
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,679 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ Its obvious that the Donaldists desoperatelky wna tto get rid of Zelenskyi after embarassing him has gotten too boring, most likely to install an obedient puppet of their own that they have full control over. Thats why I think they would oppose a preisndet Zalushnyi, this man does not give me the impresison he would ber servile to the US. I think Poroshenko would be their most preferred choice. Or an unknown Nobody. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-06-25, 10:39 AM	#6697
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,679 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Trump ordered deactivating of HIMARS targetting systems. Murderous azzhole. Why not firing Tomahawks and bombard Ukrainian soldiers directly!? Should Russia have all the fun all for itself? Thats why we must stop buying American weapons. And must get rid of those we have. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-06-25, 12:34 PM	#6700
Exocet25fr Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 1,135 Downloads: 255 Uploads: 0	Fortunatly us, Frenchies, we build our own weapons and got Nuclear ones ! Today we launched Ariane 6 with a French military spy satellite with success! https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/...ilitary-r19069 __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !

03-06-25, 12:39 PM	#6702
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,183 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	^x3 No! That's so provocative, shooting US missiles deep into Russian territory? What if the Russians were supplying missiles to the Mexican cartels and letting them target places within the US? Yeah that's why this needs to be toned down. One nuclear bomb going off over anybody's country is unimaginable. __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,421 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	How can all this alienation of its neighbours, friends and former allies benefit the US? Trump has set about creating what might eventually become a resentful confederation, which no longer wants or needs them for anything - either materially or politically Europe will survive this - one way or another - and when that day comes it will all have been to America's detriment __________________