Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Ostfriese]

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[Skybird]

^ I hope its electronics and engines are much more reliable than that in the old tank. The Leclerc is onown and feared for breaking down all the time. An overbred prima donna. Tnats why only Jordan and the united arab emirates bought it.

Also, these days tanks must have exceptional drone protection systems. The Ukrainians currently use 380 dollar drones to blow up tanks costing by habit - and vice versa. Western tanks cost 4-8+ million dollars or more, Russian T-72s can be had already for 300,000 dollars.


Curious: the German IFV Puma - costs a hopping 17 million. Its the most expensive armoured combat vehicle in the world. Thats why no state buys them.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

UNBELIEVABLE!!

[Eichhörnchen]

These videos, to me, show a country paralysed; a noble, civilised people after a sudden, unexpected transfusion of contaminated blood - never mind vaccine phobias and monkey pox

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

These videos, to me, show a country paralysed; a noble, civilised people after a sudden, unexpected transfusion of contaminated blood - never mind vaccine phobias and monkey pox

QFT

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

These videos, to me, show a country paralysed; a noble, civilised people after a sudden, unexpected transfusion of contaminated blood - never mind vaccine phobias and monkey pox

Eh - sorry, no, they VOTED to get contaminated blood injected, they knew it is contaminated since term 1 at the latest, and during th Biden years Trump let no doutb on what he wanted to do. America got what it deserved. As always, I hold voters accountable for their voting. I always do, everywhere, in every country, including my own. The only unjust thing here is the fate of all (non-American) others being affected by the American system collapse.

[Jimbuna]

Zelenskyy makes "worst statement" about distant peace with Russia. US will not put up with it, - Trump

US President Donald Trump has called the words of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that the war with Russia is still "very far away" the "worst statement".

He wrote about this on his social network Truth Social, Censor.NET reports.

Zelenskyy's words, which were commented on by the American president, were heard the night before, when the Ukrainian leader was leaving London after participating in the summit. At the time, he also expressed hope that the United States would continue to help Ukraine despite the public spat in the Oval Office, the Associated Press quoted him as saying.

"This is the worst statement that Zelenskyy could have made, and America will not put up with it for long! This is what I said, this guy doesn't want peace as long as he has America's support, and Europe has said directly in a meeting with Zelensky that they can't do it without the United States," Trump said.

According to him, "it's probably not the best statement" made in terms of "demonstrating strength to Russia."

"What are they thinking?" Trump summarized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538992

Mertz: Zelenskyy-Trump dispute was "deliberate escalation" by US

The head of the German CDU party and future chancellor Friedrich Merz said that the skirmish during the visit of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to the White House was deliberately caused by the American side.

This is reported by tagesschau, Censor.NET reports.

Merz noted that he had watched the footage of the meeting between Trump and Zelensky in the Oval Office several times.

"In my opinion, this was not a spontaneous reaction to Zelensky's remarks, but a clear deliberate escalation at this meeting in the Oval Office. Usually, such meetings with the press last only a few minutes. On Friday, it was different," he said after consultations with CDU committees in Berlin.

He noted that he was "quite surprised, including by the mutual tone of the dialog."

The clash between Zelenskiy and U.S. President Donald Trump fits in with the current behavior of the U.S. government, Mertz added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538955

[Jimbuna]

Finnish President Stubb on Trump-Zelenskyy dispute: We need to shake hands and move on

Amid a quarrel between US President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Finnish President Alexander Stubb called on everyone to calm down and return to negotiations.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Hromadske.

Stubb is convinced that the agreement on rare earth minerals between Ukraine and the United States is very important and can be a "turning point." Therefore, he expressed hope that "we can find a solution" to this agreement.

In addition, in his opinion, "sometimes public diplomacy" does not work, so the Finnish president believes that in such situations "we need to be Finns: take a deep breath, take a cold bath, a sauna, breathe and return to the negotiating table."

The Finnish president was also asked about the statements that Zelenskyy should be the first to restore relations with Trump. He replied that "it takes two to tango".

"You know, sometimes that's what happens in marriage or other kinds of relationships - you go to your corner and sulk. But you have to come out, talk, shake hands, and move on," Stubb said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538984

We want to hear from Zelenskyy that he regrets dispute with Trump - Waltz

President Donald Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Waltz said that the US administration expects to hear from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that he regrets the dispute that took place in the Oval Office on February 28.

Volz said this in an interview with Fox News, Censor.NET reports.

"Zelenskyy really did his country a real disservice by not reaching a positive result on Friday, and you know, we'll see how things develop further," the Trump adviser said.

Waltz also noted that the White House wants to hear from Zelenskyy "that he regrets what happened, that he is willing to sign this rare earth minerals agreement, and that he is willing to participate in peace talks."

"I don't think it's too much. I think it's what's best for the American people, for the Ukrainian people, for Russia and for the world to restore stability," he concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538980

[Catfish]

^ Really? I would tell them to go f. themselves.

B.t.w.

Originally Posted by Dargo

After 9/11, NATO's Article 5 was invoked for the first (and only) time ever by the United States. Troops from the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, Australia, Spain, Poland, Norway, Romania, Turkey, New Zealand, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Finland, and many others joined the fight in Afghanistan. Has JD Vance, president Krasnov said 'thank you' once for their sacrifice?

Maybe Zelensky will say something to president Trump Krasnov but I doubt it will be an excuse. I almost hope it will not.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

UNBELIEVABLE!!

[Eichhörnchen]

I don't see why Zelenski should mind saying that he "regrets what happened" - he's not admitting any blame with that statement - if that's what they want to hear. Who wouldn't regret being roughed-up by a couple of thugs in a public place?

[Eichhörnchen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Eh - sorry, no, they VOTED to get contaminated blood injected, they knew it is contaminated

Yes they got their marigold hero, but they were mainly voting on domestic issues and surely can have had no inkling of how deep and widespread the harm would turn out to be - connivance with the Russians and the potential destruction of NATO not the least - hence my analogy

[Dargo]

What the Krasnov administration seems to be most interested in is engineering a strategic rapprochement with Russia, not in ending the war in Ukraine. Ukraine is supposed to be just currency for that deal, which is why it causes so much anger when it shows agency of its own. Krasnov won't extort Ukraine's minerals unless Zelenskyy apologises. It's going to be such a beautiful betrayal, such an awesome betrayal, the whole world will be amazed... Like only an absolute genius can do! Putin will confirm that and Elon will name his next daughter after it. He will do that. Yes, he will.