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02-10-19, 04:40 PM | #6616 |
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^ you have your opinion, and others have others.
Regarding this "free world" i thought it was obvious i was being sarcastic.
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02-10-19, 05:36 PM | #6617 | ||||
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02-10-19, 06:01 PM | #6618 |
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I say there's two types of illegal immigrants/refugees
Those who are accepted and Those who aren't Markus |
02-11-19, 03:31 AM | #6619 | |
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@Aktung well.. i'm not Trump so i will not accuse you, or anyone
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All this is a theoretical construct by mankind, that could be entirely different if history would have took another turn. And think of that: Can any person born and living indeed be declared as "illegal"? I mean, by any ethical standard? By whom, by what justification? Answer: By sheer power, and nothing else. What about California, Texas, Wyoming, New Mexico - US-Mexican war anyone ? "Cultural integration" by US president Polk? General Ulysses S. Grant called the Mexican War "one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation". "On February 2, 1848, Mexico ceded 55 percent of its territory, including what is now Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas, and parts of Colorado, Nevada and Utah after the war, in exchange for fifteen million dollars in war compensation. After the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, Mexicans living in the new United States territory had to adapt to becoming Americans. Many Mexicans who lived in the territory lost to the United States decided to stay and become American citizens. Integration proved difficult. The U.S. government refused to accept land claims based on tradition or limited documentation, and many Mexicans lost their holdings." https://www.history.com/topics/mexic...n-american-war
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02-11-19, 05:14 AM | #6620 |
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I dont care for others having opinions. Whether they can rationally found them so that I can see reason in them - thats what decides for me what opinions disagreeing with me I nevertheless respect. Just claiming something out of the blue of falling into ideological clichées does nothing for me. It just kills everybody's time, and especially my nerves (and often my money).
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02-11-19, 10:23 AM | #6621 |
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You've made a good point Aktungbby, but that only works for the ones you know and have pointed out. What about the ones with bales of mariuana on their backs, the rapiest, the murderers, the ones that steal and rob (and that includes their own countrymen). Plus it's not just men and women from Mexico ... also includes China, Central & South America, etc, etc ...
I say build the wall and then the numbers will go down ... Many will give up and say "What's the use"
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02-11-19, 06:10 PM | #6622 |
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MOSTLY TRUE: Visa overstays account for ‘half’ of all people in the country illegally --
https://www.politifact.com/californi...lf-all-people/ Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally -- https://immigration.procon.org/view....=000845#states Note in the above how the numbers for California have decreased by some 310,000 between 2000 and 2016; in the same period, New York State has had an increase of 165,000 and it has no border with Mexico; marauding Canucks, maybe?... Also note Texas had a whopping 510,000 increase over the same period... As far as CA is going, the high cost of living in CA is chasing out and keeping out larger numbers of illegals than any effect the southern barrier has been having; its just becoming too expensive to be an illegal in CA... Added to the cost of living is the effect the rise in minimum wages in CA has had on the ability of businesses who have traditionally used illegals to now attract US citizens to work for them, cutting down of the jobs available for the illegals; if the Federal Govt. were to actually require and enforce the use of the E-Verify system and, also, to pt some real teeth in the penalties against employers who violate hiring laws, rather than the 'wrist slaps' given currently, I think you'd see a real effect on illegal immigration; if there aren't any jobs available to people, they won't bother to come... BTW, here is a link to the report in the NPR link cited by Dowly in his reply to Mr Quatro; Some interesting facts in here...: US Undocumented Population Continued to Fall from 2016 to 2017, and Visa Overstays Significantly Exceeded Illegal Crossings for the Seventh Consecutive Year -- http://cmsny.org/publications/essay-...and-overstays/ Here in CA, the overstays are now the largest portion of the illegal population. Remember: these are people who actually applied for and received visas to enter the US and who did so, not by furtively sneaking across the border, but by entering ports of entry (airports, harbors, etc.) in a fully legal manner. This is why a wall is not the panacea Trump, his minions, and his Trumpettes are trying to sell to a rightfully skeptical nation. Bottom line: if you really want to seriously deal with the problem, a fully comprehensive and well-planned, well-thought out solution is required, not some self-serving, costly PR campaign stunt designed to get Trump brownie points with his lemmings... <O>
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02-12-19, 06:17 AM | #6623 |
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Thank you vienna and Dowly for corecting my mistake, but the numbers of over stayed are avaiable and the numbers of illegalls that crossed over and did not get caught yet are not known and can only be estimated ... Many illegals that get caught say they have gone home to Mexico and crossed back over again several times. A wall would've helped prevent that.
Perhaps we should discuss the value of a modern carrier task force and the ever increasing cost to our defense budget to build them ... Would that satisfy everyone? I don't think so
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02-12-19, 10:03 AM | #6624 |
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Then we have others publicly proclaim themselves sanctuary states and get their hackles up when federal officials try to round up and deport those who have overstayed their welcome. Yes a thoughtful plan would be nice but I think the current state of affairs has everything to do with the future political careers of party officials than what is the best and thoughtful plan to control immigration.
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02-12-19, 11:35 AM | #6625 | |
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02-12-19, 03:59 PM | #6626 | |
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Amazingly these officials seem not to feel any responsibility or guilt at all when an innocent citizen is murdered because of those policies.
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02-12-19, 04:03 PM | #6627 |
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Apparently neither does the federal agent who failed to secure his gun which was stolen from his vehicle.
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02-12-19, 09:01 PM | #6628 | |
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Don't get me started. I always thought that a crook had to actually have a gun on him for a police shooting to be justified. There has been like a million crime dramas which centered on that very question, usually involving frantic searches by a pal to find out what had become of it as the cop in question is looked at with increasing suspicion. Excuses like "I thought she had a gun" or "He made a move that made me think he was going for a gun" would never have been acceptable if the dead guy didn't actually have a gun on or near him (hence the old time cop practice of carrying "drop guns") but now apparently that's all they need to say in order to get away with executing people.
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02-13-19, 09:18 AM | #6629 | ||
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Trains, planes and nitwits.
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When Donald Trump says something that may be construed as less than true or somewhat ridiculous he is fact checked ad nauseam by the left wing media. When the rising Democratic Socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters say something equally ridiculous...not so much. In fact they cover for her. Quote:
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02-13-19, 11:43 AM | #6630 |
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Looks like the dims are going to run their canoe aground on the rock that is their ridiculous "green new deal". Thanks so much for the gift!
Now about that money California needs to give back to the Federal government from their spectacularly failed high speed rail system. We've got a better idea where to spend it already.
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